Hi Sam, thank you for your prompt reply.
> There is no "they" here. If this is a topic that is important to you, > show up. Do the work. Don't blame others for not doing your homework > for you, or for not doing what you, yourself, are not willing to do. I suppose my attempts are being misunderstood as I am showing up here to do the work as this topic is important to me. The homework I was trying to solve is who is Director Fielding referring to in his past statements, and who are the people being referenced on the `/apache-name` page? It didn’t seem productive to email Roy privately as the board has been CC’d to this thread as I understand it and the GitHub history wasn’t illuminating but I can reach out to the original committer of the page. As part of my homework I was hoping to get the perspectives of the people in this community who were around for the history being referenced but if that’s inappropriate for this venue I can pursue others. > And, in case you are wondering, I am not a fan of polling > non-participants. Particularly if that is being proposed instead of > doing what actually needs to be done. My homework above was all about gathering more data to help others make a decision, but if there’s already an agreement on what needs to be done and the board or membership is willing make a change without a poll or vote that’s fine with me, I’m all for getting to the action if change is already what’s agreed on here. I’m just trying to work with whatever options are available to me. > I'll make a prediction: if people actually do show up and do the work > (and by that I mean along the lines of how Ed Mangini has been > proposing), the board will approve the results. > > But until then, don't ignore Ed's question, namely "Do we have someone > who can take this on?" and then lament that people aren't answering > your question. Maybe I’m unclear as to Ed’s intent, but my understanding of his idea was to reach out to an Apache nation or organization to facilitate a dialogue. I didn’t ignore it and instead I replied, pointing out the complexities of such an endeavor. I spent my next two emails trying to point out that understanding the harm of stereotypes isn’t about going out and finding one person who is ok with something to determine if it’s harmful or not, rather it’s about listening to people and using your own sense of reason and compassion to understand. I’m not interested in taking on the work of looking for someone who says ASF’s mascotry is ok while ignoring everyone past and present who says otherwise. Is that the only path forward right now? I feel there is a logical flaw to the endeavor. If I’m misunderstanding something or you have other suggestions I’m all ears. Gunalchéesh, Walter On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 12:44 PM Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 4:20 PM Walter Cameron > <walter.li...@waltercameron.com> wrote: > > > > Considering the lack of responses to my questions about the history here, > > I’m going to assume ASF has ignored past complaints similar to how > they’ve > > ignored my own. > > There is no "they" here. If this is a topic that is important to you, > show up. Do the work. Don't blame others for not doing your homework > for you, or for not doing what you, yourself, are not willing to do. > > And, in case you are wondering, I am not a fan of polling > non-participants. Particularly if that is being proposed instead of > doing what actually needs to be done. > > I'll make a prediction: if people actually do show up and do the work > (and by that I mean along the lines of how Ed Mangini has been > proposing), the board will approve the results. > > But until then, don't ignore Ed's question, namely "Do we have someone > who can take this on?" and then lament that people aren't answering > your question. > > - Sam Ruby > > P.S. No, I'm not signing up to do this work. But if people do show > up and encounter road-blocks, let me know and I'll see what I can do > to clear the path for you to proceed. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
