On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Moray Allan <mo...@sermisy.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 2012-06-17 at 07:25 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote:
>
> > What the subject says. We're ordering a total of 400 t-shirts:
> >
> >
> > > 250 for attendees
> > > 75 staff (orga+volunteers)
> > > 75 for video team
> >
> > You can see the numbers (and sizes) of the t-shirts requested at the
> > end of this link:
> >
> >
> http://debconf-data.alioth.debian.org/stats/only-reconfirmed/registration-data.txt
>
> That doesn't yet define how many of each size you plan to order -- you
> need to decide how to allocate the spare attendee ones, and how to
> allocate the "unknown volunteer" and "unknown video team" ones.
>
> Last year the initial orders were:
>
> Size  Ordered  Number in Penta
> S       15         12
> M      100         82
> L      130        115
> XL     100         85
> XXL     50         39
>
> F-S     10          6
> F-M     20         14
> F-L     12          7
> F-XL     3          2
>
> Staff (volunteers and organisers):
>
> Size  Ordered  Number in Penta
> S        3          1
> M       10          7
> L       15         10
> XL      15         11
> XXL      7          7
>
> F-S      3          2
> F-M      3          2
> F-L      3          2
> F-XL     2          1
> F-XXL    2          ?
>
> Video team:
>
> Size  Ordered  Number in Wiki
> S        5          1
> M       15          2
> L       25         10
> XL      15          6
> XXL      5          1
>
> F-S      2          1
> F-M      2
> F-L      2
> F-XL     1
> F-XXL    2          2
>
> (Numbers from http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/T-Shirts )
>
> Last year we ran out of some sizes quite early, and had to order more,
> because:
>
> (1) The physical sizes were quite different from previous years' sizes
> for the same labels, so some people could not use the size which they
> had requested in Penta.
>
>
We have some shirts from our provider (Anan). We could measure them and
post the exact sizes. I'm going to work in a couple of hours, so maybe
someone else from localteam wants to help?


> (2) The print shop (like every year, but more) did not provide exactly
> the number we had requested for each size.
>
>
We've been working with this provide for many years and never had this
problem, so we'll get exactly what we ordered.


> Ideally we might control for point 1 by comparing some example shirts
> from the supplier with previous years' ones, though I suspect that's
> now impractical in the required schedule.  What some suppliers call S
> might be M from another supplier, etc. -- and for the women's sizes,
>

We won't get women's sizes this year, unfortunately.


> the variation between suppliers in size and shape can be much greater.
> To follow people's choices, it's obviously the physical measurements/
> shape that are important, not the letters on the labels.
>
> Do we have any idea how this year's supplier's sizes (men's and
> women's) will compare to previous ones?
>
>
> To start a concrete discussion, here are the current numbers from
>
> http://debconf-data.alioth.debian.org/stats/only-reconfirmed/registration-data.txt
> with possible numbers to order based on your totals.
>
> I think that there are currently around 20 sponsors (regular and
> permanent), though perhaps more are due to be added to the web page?
>
>
I think only govt is missing, if they actually decide to sponsor the event.


>
> Size  Number in Penta     Possible order
> S        14                    19
> M        45                    61
> L        43                    79 including 20 for sponsor bags
> XL       29                    40
> XXL      19                    26
>   total: 150+sponsors    share of 230: 205, + 20 for sponsor bags
>
> F-S       4                     7
> F-M       9                    11
> F-L       3                     4
> F-XL      2                     3
>     total: 18          share of 230: 25
>
> Did you mean 250 including sponsors, or 250 for attendees, plus the
> ones for sponsors?
>
>
250 including sponsors.


> Here I just scaled up all the numbers to the totals, but it might
> be better to add a few extra to the smallest categories -- having only
> one spare t-shirt in a given size isn't really enough.
>
>
We also have the XS size that is ~size 14 (US standard?). A bit smaller
than S. Maybe that's the equivalent to female S?


>
> Staff (volunteers and organisers)
>
> Size  Number in Penta     Possible order
> S         9                    11
> M        15                    18
> L        13                    16
> XL        7                     9
> XXL       5                     6
>     total: 49          share of 75: 60
>
> F-S       4                     5
> F-M       4                     5
> F-L       2                     3
> F-XL      2                     2
>       total: 12        share of 75: 15
>
> Note that this doesn't give many spare shirts over the numbers in
> Penta.  Normally we hope to get more additional people involved in
> volunteering who hadn't signed up for it in advance.  In addition, in a
> hot country it would be a good idea to let some staff have more than
> one staff t-shirt, even if they have to pay personally for the extra
> one(s).  So I think 75 is too few?
>
>
I also think it's a good idea.

The cost of each t-shirt is $5.11 (custom made, full color printing in
front, one color back for the sponsor logos). We've already paid 50% of the
cost of 400 shirts, as required by the provider ($1000 from local sponsor
that paid directly to provider).


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> Moray
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