Herman Robak dijo [Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 03:00:23PM +0100]: > (...) > Dropping any pretense of neutrality for a moment; the goal is > to avoid making women feel awkward or intimidated by sleazy and > sexist stuff. I support that goal. Let's debate the suitable > means to that end. > > > As to 2) ... Yes, some people actually need to get that pointed > out to them. And they will most likely have to be told, after > the fact. > > I assume the one who feels awkward about sexual attention > has the burden to tell that it is unwanted. That can be > quite hard. I think it would be easier to apply a common > standard of "inappropriate" attention in a code of conduct. > > Besides, there is a subtext in the word "unwanted". It asserts > the freedom to make frivolous advances, yet maintains the right > to not be at the receiving end of such advances. And the > involved parties are supposed to "know it when they see it". > That game is too complicated for me, so I'm not playing. > > Lastly, the word "comply" just rubs me the wrong way.
I agree with Herman here. I recognize the need to act on this regard... But overregulation leads to very uncomfortable settings. This is in part why I insisted on switching to the broader aspect of "respect" rather than just the sexual part of it. Just as an example... Among the best social experiences I recall from previous DebConfs are the sauna sessions in Finland. And yes, according to the local customs, and according to our group's way of being, they were often mixed. And I am _sure_ nobody felt threatened there. Of course, people not comfortable with that fact didn't join the sessions - But if we had explicit rules that made us feel constrained, we would probably not have had the sauna at all. Anyway, I'm getting too speculative - Just rewording: We have to be explicitly respectful of everybody, right. But we should avoid losing the trusting, free environment we have! _______________________________________________ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
