> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .. he idea of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helping slave boss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss has a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rainbow problem in 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his flower garden.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem is that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychedelic colors 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are on not just the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > petals of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his flowers, but 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also his own skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss [traveling 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > landscape with 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent]:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "why do you let me 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h--"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss pauses and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rethinks his 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expression
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [here we're considering 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if harm could be 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reduced in the pattern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without worsening the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent has a problem 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that everybody he knows 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in poverty and has 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > multiple medical 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems unseen before 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by science
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so in a way both parties 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > win, in that they are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > casting their successes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as reducing the behaviors 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent's joy comes from not 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having to choose to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurt people with part of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his brain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third party: "oh no the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situation is not uncommon"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss looks at third 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party and torture victim 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "although slave boss loves me 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as his most
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doting devotee, he wants me 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to leave him for a little 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time now."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss [with torture victim 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent apart, to third 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with camera]: "the word 'now'--
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss, third party with 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > camera (who also visited torture 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > victim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent), and torture victim 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent are all three apart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss is running after third 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party with camera. his plan: to say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that torture victim double agent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plans his murder and request
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chatting up third party with camera.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like slave boss, he had also decided to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > run after third party with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > camera, but was nearer from being 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engaged last
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when slave boss appears on the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horizon, torture victim double agent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visibly struck with intense terror 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for his life
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent is clutching 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a leg of third party with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > camera, staring at slave boss with eyes 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as wide as saucers as if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing in the world matters, muscles 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tensed up, shaking violently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oops sent without content
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss is talking to a different third 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss: "i really don't have any ability 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to love; this is what my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therapist says"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent jumps in. "slave 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > boss! you know how to love!"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss looks at torture victim double 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent furiously
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "your father 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried to rape the love out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of you but you care! you value things! 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's a human being under
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there!"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss expresses subtle fury
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent picks up one of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss's cigars then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks at and it drops it on the floor in fear
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent looks at second 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "long ago slave 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > boss was forced into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organized crime and had to pray to somebody who 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always told him to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuck a blender, and really honestly believe 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that this was what was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good and right to do"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss: "i think that torture victim double 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent would like me to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave now." slave boss looks at second third 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party. "however, i would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to know if you can help."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first third party comes into the room briefly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second third party: "it sounds like when you would 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like torture victim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent to leave, he leaves, but when he would 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like you to, you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't? is this correct?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > notes are being taken
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > third third party: "we are interested in helping the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > victims here."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > {{{{
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is sadly a situation in america where people 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who can clearly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > explain being victims are the only people who are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > generally helped.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes if a third party can clearly explain 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody is a victim,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and then consent to being helped, then they are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > helped.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sadly this leaves out almost everybody from aid. but 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it does keep the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > set of people aided to a workable number and focuses 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on people capable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of adding clear useful information, which is helpful.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not work in these things, these are just my 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i guess we can derive that the prison system is used by slave 
> > > > > > > > boss as
> > > > > > > > a way to protect himself from something very scary by 
> > > > > > > > restraining
> > > > > > > > people who might get in his way and sending blame away from 
> > > > > > > > himself by
> > > > > > > > supporting it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it's confusing. there are of course many places that support 
> > > > > > > > focused
> > > > > > > > punishment; i'm in the minority having been exposed to this 
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > undesired as a larger thing, although many people question 
> > > > > > > > punishment
> > > > > > > > in general when not taught otherwise. [one of the challenges 
> > > > > > > > seems to
> > > > > > > > be laws; no longer having a norm of productive debate we set 
> > > > > > > > laws that
> > > > > > > > leave people out
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it's sad because christianity is a huge punishment-oriented 
> > > > > > > religion
> > > > > > > that has actually helped people in very great need (most 
> > > > > > > successful
> > > > > > > antitrafficking groups appear to be christian); with all these 
> > > > > > > valid
> > > > > > > people expressing meaning of assassination of jesus, it's not 
> > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > to be right to not have punishment as an approach; we need it to
> > > > > > > understand it being used in the past (have not read bible myself 
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > hard to say much here)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but these people definitely want to punish bad things not good 
> > > > > > things
> > > > >
> > > > > it's not my space to analyze that as i'm not experienced in being 
> > > > > christian.
> > > > >
> > > > > but i think the space of caring feeling relation with diverse groups
> > > > > would open that.
> > > > >
> > > > > and we also find huge marketing and influence spaces
> > > >
> > > > i suspect its our lack of productive debate and communication across
> > > > differences, combined with heavy influence, that makes situations like
> > > > that seem difficult rather than simple
> > >
> > > now, media is huge. people get in media trances and all.
> > >
> > > but a lot of that influence is not just media, a lot of it is more
> > > like the influence over tvda. people are in situations that involve
> > > coercion to not reveal them.
> >
> > [[[i haven't voted since trump's first election oops]]]
> [[[if i do vote again soon, and it's for a national candidate, it will
> likely be because some part of me is telling me i have to, whether
> it's one part or the other, rather than an informed feeling choice of
> my own, until i have a _lot_ of therapy and recovery

well or if we have somebody new who values something like actually
reliable communication, shielding, antitrafficking education, DID
recovery, real end-user device security, dismantling of centralized
and insecure digital infrastructure, or somesuch

> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the fictional situation, torture victim double agent 
> > > > > > > > > > > > is able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly _demonstrate_ that he needs help, by the nature 
> > > > > > > > > > > > of his coping
> > > > > > > > > > > > strategy, in an obscure and occasional way. this is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > slowly bringing
> > > > > > > > > > > > him help.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > slave boss: "you gotta understand. so many people ... 
> > > > > > > > > > > like me ... have
> > > > > > > > > > > been killed by people like ... him."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > camera present
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > third party: "would you save my life if i were in danger?"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > slave boss: "fuck no!" slave boss puts hand over mouth
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "slave boss has saved my life 
> > > > > > > > > > over and
> > > > > > > > > > over and ov--
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "the situation here is not 
> > > > > > > > > complicated,
> > > > > > > > > everybody's just scared of it going in some poor way."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "slave boss is scared because he 
> > > > > > > > > lives in
> > > > > > > > > fear. i'm scared because i live in fear. you guys are 
> > > > > > > > > confused and are
> > > > > > > > > going to make a poor decision because we all speak nonverbal 
> > > > > > > > > languages
> > > > > > > > > and only use english to manipulate people."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "slave boss is very dangerous 
> > > > > > > > > and should
> > > > > > > > > be restrained without being harmed. he and both need 
> > > > > > > > > recovery. i don't
> > > > > > > > > fully understand the recovery he needs."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "_but_ the whole world is 
> > > > > > > > > corrupt and
> > > > > > > > > everybody is acting on that, spreading horrible things that 
> > > > > > > > > slave
> > > > > > > > > thinks protect him to take advantage of, actually worsening 
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > situation more and more producing more confusions like me."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "so the camera is helpful 
> > > > > > > > > because i
> > > > > > > > > forget everything i'm saying the moment after i say it unless 
> > > > > > > > > i think
> > > > > > > > > there's some record"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "and slave boss is the same way, 
> > > > > > > > > he just
> > > > > > > > > has good habits for rapin' people successfully that he 
> > > > > > > > > learned from
> > > > > > > > > his dad"

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