> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .. he idea of helping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss has a rainbow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem in his flower
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > garden.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem is that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychedelic colors are on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not just the petals of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his flowers, but also his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own skin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss [traveling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > landscape with torture victim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent]:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "why do you let me h--"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss pauses and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rethinks his expression
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [here we're considering if harm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be reduced in the pattern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without worsening the power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dynamics
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a problem that everybody he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in poverty and has multiple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > medical problems unseen before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by science
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so in a way both parties win, in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they are casting their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > successes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as reducing the behaviors of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent's joy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes from not having to choose to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurt people with part of his brain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third party: "oh no the situation is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not uncommon"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss looks at third party and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "although slave boss loves me as his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doting devotee, he wants me to leave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him for a little time now."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss [with torture victim double
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent apart, to third party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with camera]: "the word 'now'--
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss, third party with camera (who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also visited torture victim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > double agent), and torture victim double
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent are all three apart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss is running after third party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with camera. his plan: to say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that torture victim double agent plans his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > murder and request
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent is chatting up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third party with camera.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like slave boss, he had also decided to run
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after third party with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > camera, but was nearer from being engaged last
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when slave boss appears on the horizon,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visibly struck with intense terror for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent is clutching a leg of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third party with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > camera, staring at slave boss with eyes as wide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as saucers as if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing in the world matters, muscles tensed up,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shaking violently
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > oops sent without content
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss is talking to a different third party
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss: "i really don't have any ability to love;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is what my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > therapist says"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent jumps in. "slave boss!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you know how to love!"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss looks at torture victim double agent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > furiously
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "your father tried to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rape the love out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of you but you care! you value things! there's a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > human being under
> > > > > > > > > > > > > there!"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > slave boss expresses subtle fury
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent picks up one of slave
> > > > > > > > > > > > boss's cigars then
> > > > > > > > > > > > looks at and it drops it on the floor in fear
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent looks at second third party
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > torture victim double agent: "long ago slave boss was
> > > > > > > > > > > > forced into
> > > > > > > > > > > > organized crime and had to pray to somebody who always
> > > > > > > > > > > > told him to
> > > > > > > > > > > > fuck a blender, and really honestly believe that this
> > > > > > > > > > > > was what was
> > > > > > > > > > > > good and right to do"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > slave boss: "i think that torture victim double agent
> > > > > > > > > > > would like me to
> > > > > > > > > > > leave now." slave boss looks at second third party.
> > > > > > > > > > > "however, i would
> > > > > > > > > > > like to know if you can help."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > first third party comes into the room briefly
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > second third party: "it sounds like when you would like
> > > > > > > > > > torture victim
> > > > > > > > > > double agent to leave, he leaves, but when he would like
> > > > > > > > > > you to, you
> > > > > > > > > > don't? is this correct?"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > notes are being taken
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > third third party: "we are interested in helping the victims
> > > > > > > > > here."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > {{{{
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > there is sadly a situation in america where people who can
> > > > > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > > > explain being victims are the only people who are generally
> > > > > > > > > helped.
> > > > > > > > > sometimes if a third party can clearly explain somebody is a
> > > > > > > > > victim,
> > > > > > > > > and then consent to being helped, then they are helped.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sadly this leaves out almost everybody from aid. but it does
> > > > > > > > > keep the
> > > > > > > > > set of people aided to a workable number and focuses on
> > > > > > > > > people capable
> > > > > > > > > of adding clear useful information, which is helpful.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i do not work in these things, these are just my observations.
> > > >
> > > > i guess we can derive that the prison system is used by slave boss as
> > > > a way to protect himself from something very scary by restraining
> > > > people who might get in his way and sending blame away from himself by
> > > > supporting it
> > > >
> > > > it's confusing. there are of course many places that support focused
> > > > punishment; i'm in the minority having been exposed to this being
> > > > undesired as a larger thing, although many people question punishment
> > > > in general when not taught otherwise. [one of the challenges seems to
> > > > be laws; no longer having a norm of productive debate we set laws that
> > > > leave people out
> > >
> > > it's sad because christianity is a huge punishment-oriented religion
> > > that has actually helped people in very great need (most successful
> > > antitrafficking groups appear to be christian); with all these valid
> > > people expressing meaning of assassination of jesus, it's not likely
> > > to be right to not have punishment as an approach; we need it to
> > > understand it being used in the past (have not read bible myself so
> > > hard to say much here)
> >
> > but these people definitely want to punish bad things not good things
>
> it's not my space to analyze that as i'm not experienced in being christian.
>
> but i think the space of caring feeling relation with diverse groups
> would open that.
>
> and we also find huge marketing and influence spaces
i suspect its our lack of productive debate and communication across
differences, combined with heavy influence, that makes situations like
that seem difficult rather than simple
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in the fictional situation, torture victim double agent is able
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > clearly _demonstrate_ that he needs help, by the nature of his
> > > > > > > > coping
> > > > > > > > strategy, in an obscure and occasional way. this is slowly
> > > > > > > > bringing
> > > > > > > > him help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slave boss: "you gotta understand. so many people ... like me ...
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > been killed by people like ... him."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > camera present
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > third party: "would you save my life if i were in danger?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slave boss: "fuck no!" slave boss puts hand over mouth
> > > > > >
> > > > > > torture victim double agent: "slave boss has saved my life over and
> > > > > > over and ov--
> > > > >
> > > > > torture victim double agent: "the situation here is not complicated,
> > > > > everybody's just scared of it going in some poor way."
> > > > >
> > > > > torture victim double agent: "slave boss is scared because he lives in
> > > > > fear. i'm scared because i live in fear. you guys are confused and are
> > > > > going to make a poor decision because we all speak nonverbal languages
> > > > > and only use english to manipulate people."
> > > > >
> > > > > torture victim double agent: "slave boss is very dangerous and should
> > > > > be restrained without being harmed. he and both need recovery. i don't
> > > > > fully understand the recovery he needs."
> > > > >
> > > > > torture victim double agent: "_but_ the whole world is corrupt and
> > > > > everybody is acting on that, spreading horrible things that slave
> > > > > thinks protect him to take advantage of, actually worsening his
> > > > > situation more and more producing more confusions like me."
> > > > >
> > > > > torture victim double agent: "so the camera is helpful because i
> > > > > forget everything i'm saying the moment after i say it unless i think
> > > > > there's some record"
> > > > >
> > > > > torture victim double agent: "and slave boss is the same way, he just
> > > > > has good habits for rapin' people successfully that he learned from
> > > > > his dad"
