> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we watched part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of start of OA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonconsenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's charged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and differences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OA's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience, our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibly other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been exposed to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energy around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miscasting of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these in ways > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside me or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alter my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out how to better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traffick people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out how to better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traffick people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to figure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out how to better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traffick people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes to more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effectively destroy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people's lives, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enslave them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > massively, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amplify and spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any such existing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operations. this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is something called > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an "introject", an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alter that behaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perpatrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things are quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong here so it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard to navigate to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question requests. it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basically lands in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poor areas :\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i think there's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement that making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movie is a great thing, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very inspiring and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empowering. really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tells the right story, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrating an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability to do that at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's true that something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly nonfictional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be more empowering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changeness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 difference focused > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karl gave up; the OA maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transcended giving up and is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space in the first episode, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which more reminds karl of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over a decade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar to where experimentee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says forced to choose to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly express that the OA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therapist specializing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dissociative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience treating ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only a handful of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professionals whose job it is to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what the OA is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiencing and has experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her recover, and that is one of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But pleasantly the show does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continue to show empathic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relation, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is rare and hard and takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precise avenues because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traumatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trained silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not karl's only mistake by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here it sounds like karl means "any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication at all" by "empathic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relation" whereas "empathic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relation" in normal communities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "shared understanding" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the show is supposed to build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oops about larger/other thing, not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately quoted thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expressed diverse pensation around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trafficking vulnerable people like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escapees more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > express that the OA needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specializing in dissociative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience treating ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not quite sure what I'm experiencing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concepts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I think I originally saw the OA prior to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my exposure to extreme trauma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remainig concepts might not be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unsure, hear could be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected integration reducing something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valued or something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I think I might have heard that the OA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be related to a true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story, I don't really know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - There are a _lot_ of true stories, they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are _very_ intense and novel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and most have _not_ been made into movies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - My mcboss stories are _not_ true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I do have a true story that is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _different_ from the mcboss stories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - A lot of people have written > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books/autobiographies although most of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these are the less extreme things that are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easier to think clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about and stimulate less serious danger to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publish about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorries T_T wishing well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok to try to bring back from dead, i think you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were saying that we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to do anything we can to let these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tortured-to-death stories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > live? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ... you can tell there's something here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around me and the mcboss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories and the OA and my brief shoulder-rubbing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with survivors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > researchers, and therapists ... where this could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen more or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better. maybe something almost obvious that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hasn't been said yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry! not me and the mcboss stories. me and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two stories that are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > encrypted into the mcboss storie-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean about my story, where i am a wealthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist who took > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the world with slavery for personal glory :D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... uhh oops > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no! you mean my real story. you mean i went through > > > > > > > > > > > > something real > > > > > > > > > > > > that i can barely think about, and you are working with > > > > > > > > > > > > part of me > > > > > > > > > > > > exposed to it, and i am writing with this part my story > > > > > > > > > > > > working around > > > > > > > > > > > > my experiences by pretending to be a slave boss? ... or > > > > > > > > > > > > something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you just mean the story i'm sharing. let's pretend i'm > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing a > > > > > > > > > > > > story. i guess i am, i squeeze a lot of stuff in there > > > > > > > > > > > > amidst the > > > > > > > > > > > > misinformation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not being very helpful with that i am guessing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about this other view: something is not said about > > > > > > > > > > > the OA, don't i > > > > > > > > > > > want to say this thing that isn't said? this thing I > > > > > > > > > > > would know from > > > > > > > > > > > my own experience (maybe similar to others')? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe an idea about my experience (or others') being > > > > > > > > > > similar to the OAs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i'd encourage that not be misused although now it's > > > > > > > > > isoalted into > > > > > > > > > an email :( > > > > > > > > > because it's not that kind of similarness, that soudns very > > > > > > > > > misleading, it's a different kind of similarness that is > > > > > > > > > real, and > > > > > > > > > then there's a misleading idea that is not real but my > > > > > > > > > introject > > > > > > > > > thinks it might be able to spread harm with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's true that there are similarities that I would deny or not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > aware of. that's quite true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's also true that there is something going on as part of my > > > > > > > > experience, where false experiences are encouraged. > > > > > > > > > > maybe we can start there :} > > > > > > > > > > it's very normal to feel pressured to express false experiences and > > > > > have parts of you that takeover and lie. > > > > > > > > > > this wasn't quite what was depicted in the show. > > > > > > > > but they did depict difficulty and failure in communicating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OOPS > > > > > > > > > > > > it's also true that me and people i know have similar struggles to > > > > > > the > > > > > > OA in ways > > > > > > The content of the OA show reflects how we do not have a norm in our > > > country of acting on these horrors. [i think this is what wanted me to > > > say, it's true] > > > > The survivor encountered police and family but never an advocate, and > > was asked direct quest-- > > No social worker. The show is about the survivor reaching out to > dangerous community members to be heard about anything at all. The > system and their family never had them speak to a social worker or > other person such as exit counselor who could attend to the extreme > differences of their experience.
parents are old and highly emotionally focused, hard to be heard by
