I do Ron, When sailing alone and the wind is picking up.A bit trying to reef with stronger winds. But then this is only my second season on the water.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Don Wagner <don.wag...@verizon.net> wrote: > I owned a C&C 30 mk 1 for about 13 years, and raced her from about 1973 > to 1986. I also found that it was a very stiff boat and rarely had to reef > and only occasionally had to fly a # 2 headsail. > In those days, we all raced with a 170% genoa, since the boats were > designed for the CCA rule, and PHRF had not yet dictated 155 % for the > norm. Later I downsized to the 155%, and got the appropriate rating > improvement. > > Two things that have not been mentioned, that will affect the weather helm > are: > If your 30 MK 1 has a wheel instead of a tiller, it will have more > weather helm, due to the extra weight in the stern. > The rig was very stiff, but I managed to put some pre-bend in the rig, > by: moving the mast step aft (inside the cabin) , and shiming the mast > forward at the deck partners,and cranking on the backstay. The net effect > was to bend the mast a little bit, and move the center of effort forward. > > Typically the helm was well balanced over a wide range of wind speeds. > > Just some thoughts from and old 30 MK 1 owner. > > Don Wagner > Red Baron > C&C 30 MK1 > 1973 hull # 100 > > Now owner of: > Der Baron > C&C 41 CB > 1986 hull # 93 > > > > > *From:* Ronald B. Frerker <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:19 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm > > I seem to be in the slot Curtis describes. I've never reefed under 20kt. > Ron > Wild Cheri > > > > On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:09 AM, Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> > wrote: > yea i'm with Ddwight on this one, > My C&C30 mk1 # 675 loves 11 thru17 knots. > I dont start thinking of a reef till i'm over 17 knots. I usley drop > down to the working 115% first. If needed I will put the 1st Reef in > around 18-22 knots. > I have hade some uncontroled steering falling off the wind when > tacking. that was my fault. not the boat. > > 1981 C&C 30 MK1 #675 > > Beaufort, Sc. > > > > On 11/26/13, dwight <dwight...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't think you should have to reef that soon.what is the rake on your > > mast > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron > > Rouhi > > Sent: November 26, 2013 7:31 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm > > > > > > > > MK1 is stiff for sure but I just wish I had less weather helm. I > generally > > reef in anything above 10 knots... > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Aaron R. > > > > Admiral Maggie, > > > > 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540 > > > > Annapolis, MD > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:46:07 -0400 > > From: dwight...@gmail.com > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm > > > > The 30 MKI is just a much stiffer boat than the 30 MKII; see here: > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm > > > > I believe that makes a huge difference in how these 2 very different C&C > 30 > > designs perform going to weather, I believe this definitely has an effect > > on > > heel angle and propensity to round up...I would expect the 30 MKII to > > outperform the 30 MKI in light air but in heavier air I would expect the > > MKI > > to outperform the MKII, even given that in most areas the MKII has a > higher > > rated speed potential and I believ that is due to the relative > stiffnesses > > of the boats...here on St. Margaret's Bay where we have mostly fresher > > afternoon breezes the MKI rules > > > > > > > > > > Dwight Veinot > > > > Alianna > > C&C 35 MKII > > > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> > wrote: > > > > Around the late 70's and early eighties the 20's and 39's were all > getting > > new, deeper rudders. The swept back keels didn't / don't help. > > > > > > > > Bill Coleman > > > > C&C 39 animated_favicon1 > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > dwight > > veinot > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm > > > > > > > > I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other > > advantages > > > > > > > > > > Dwight Veinot > > > > Alianna > > C&C 35 MKII > > > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher <trys...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side. > Weather > > helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never. I could bury the rail > deep > > and just keep plowing along. > > My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to much > > sail > > up and not enough tension on the backstay. Too much heel and it gets > > scary. > > > > All that being said im still learning on my MKII > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by > > the > > C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _____ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6368 - Release Date: 11/26/13 > > > > > > > -- > “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, > should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat
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