Good point about sails changing the feel, Gary. A blown out main or jib, with the max draft at the battens will move the apparent center of effort way aft. On the other hand, my crew is so tough, they don't even know how to reef!
Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 29, 2013, at 14:16, "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> wrote: > I'm with Curtis on this one. I seldom reef because we are mostly in light > air. I drop from the 155 to the 140 when there are full whitecaps (15?) and > then reef at about 20. Don't have a second reef, so if it is blowing harder > than low 20's, I go to the working jib. > > My working jib is probably original to the boat (1980) - when I bought her, > it was very new feeling (crinkly) and seldom gets out of the bag.....it is a > Hood, which I understand was original equipment. The two PO's were up a river > 10 miles from the Bay, so I think there was a fair amount of light air > sailing - and motoring. > > There's something amiss if you have to reef at 10 knots - either your sails > are so bagged out that the boat is falling over or the mast is set > incorrectly. The 30-1 is a stout craft.... it takes a lot of breeze to get it > squirrely enough that I am worried about rounding up. > > Gary > 30-1 # 593 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis" <cpt.b...@gmail.com> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm > > > yea i'm with Ddwight on this one, > My C&C30 mk1 # 675 loves 11 thru17 knots. > I dont start thinking of a reef till i'm over 17 knots. I usley drop > down to the working 115% first. If needed I will put the 1st Reef in > around 18-22 knots. > I have hade some uncontroled steering falling off the wind when > tacking. that was my fault. not the boat. > > 1981 C&C 30 MK1 #675 > > Beaufort, Sc. > > > > On 11/26/13, dwight <dwight...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't think you should have to reef that soon.what is the rake on your >> mast >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron >> Rouhi >> Sent: November 26, 2013 7:31 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >> >> >> >> MK1 is stiff for sure but I just wish I had less weather helm. I generally >> reef in anything above 10 knots... >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Aaron R. >> >> Admiral Maggie, >> >> 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540 >> >> Annapolis, MD >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:46:07 -0400 >> From: dwight...@gmail.com >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >> >> The 30 MKI is just a much stiffer boat than the 30 MKII; see here: >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm >> >> I believe that makes a huge difference in how these 2 very different C&C 30 >> designs perform going to weather, I believe this definitely has an effect >> on >> heel angle and propensity to round up...I would expect the 30 MKII to >> outperform the 30 MKI in light air but in heavier air I would expect the >> MKI >> to outperform the MKII, even given that in most areas the MKII has a higher >> rated speed potential and I believ that is due to the relative stiffnesses >> of the boats...here on St. Margaret's Bay where we have mostly fresher >> afternoon breezes the MKI rules >> >> >> >> >> Dwight Veinot >> >> Alianna >> C&C 35 MKII >> >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Around the late 70's and early eighties the 20's and 39's were all getting >> new, deeper rudders. The swept back keels didn't / don't help. >> >> >> >> Bill Coleman >> >> C&C 39 animated_favicon1 >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight >> veinot >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >> >> >> >> I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other >> advantages >> >> >> >> >> Dwight Veinot >> >> Alianna >> C&C 35 MKII >> >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher <trys...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side. Weather >> helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never. I could bury the rail deep >> and just keep plowing along. >> My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to much >> sail >> up and not enough tension on the backstay. Too much heel and it gets >> scary. >> >> All that being said im still learning on my MKII >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by >> the >> C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _____ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6368 - Release Date: 11/26/13 > > > -- > “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, > should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
