I'm with you there Chuck, there were no sail trim issues here (apart from maybe the main not being brought in quick enough to help the turn up to close hauled, or all sails flogged to slow them down) - this was all on the tactician and helm.
Tim On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > Good points. > Another option: I setup Resolute to singlehand, so I can dump the main > myself while steering from behind the wheel. > I have three choices, > 1) drop the traveller by releasing the windward crosshaul line. That's > how we start our turn round the windward mark. Mainsail trimmer or myself, > > 2) release the 24:1 finetune from either side. That's sweet. > 3) reach in front of the wheel and ease the 6:1 mainsheet. This is a > little harder. > > Question: didn't think you needed to ease the main to turn upwind? Am I > missing something? Should ease the jib sheet. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > ------------------------------ > *From: *"dwight veinot" <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> > *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent: *Friday, April 12, 2013 7:47:32 PM > > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Race Video > > Martin > > > > I don’t have a race crew anymore, I don’t race my boat and I don’t race > anymore period. I got all filled up with handicap racing. > > > > Under those conditions I think my boat might have a tendency to want to > round up…I might have some weather helm but not too much…she would have a > tendency to go up into the wind and that would help me to tack away... I > think it would be relatively easy to go up and tack if not for another boat > in the way, the committee boat in this case. It did not look like they > eased the main. I know that I would not have been comfortable on that boat > with that crew in close quarters approaching the start line under full > power…no trophy is worth that much to me anymore…I have mellowed a bit with > age and when I sail now I enjoy it more than racing…race committee telling > me where to go and making things as hard as possible on me by allowing > other boats to get near me and try to take my wind and slow me down every > chance they get etc.…not for me anymore > > > > Dwight Veinot > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin > DeYoung > *Sent:* April 12, 2013 8:17 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Race Video > > > > >> …if I turned the wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she > would go up, now I have to try that to find out for sure and ruin a > perfectly nice beat someday. << > > > > A few years back racing Calypso double-handed in a fully crewed C/R fleet > we found the point at which the mainsail overcame the rudder. The wind was > brisk enough for Calypso to be fully powered up, full mainsail and heavy #1 > (150%). > > > > Short tacking the Bainbridge Island shore to stay out of adverse current, > on Port we planned to duck a slightly smaller Stbd tacker. Calypso’s > co-owner, Michael was driving, I was trimming both sails. As we bore off I > had a little difficulty in easing the main about the time a gust rolled > through. Calypso heeled enough to stall the rudder. The mainsail took > over control and the boat began to round up to windward. > > > > I clearly recall the wide eyes in the cockpit of the Stbd tacker as > 24,000lbs of angry, foaming at the mouth C&C was pointed right at them. > Fortunately I got the main eased and Michael pumped the rudder several time > to re-establish flow and control in time to pass safely astern of the Stbd > tacker. After that close call we throttled back a little and left more > space for crossing. > > > > Dwight, I recommend practicing this type of windward round up to learn how > your 35 MKII handles at the edge of control before a close crossing > situation develops. Having your race crew part of the practice to get the > feel of a rudder stall and quick rotation to windward. Having some > practice will help them concentrate on a quick recovery when time is > tight. It can be expensive if a crew freezes instead of easing a sheet. > > > > Martin > > Calypso > > 1970 C&C 43 > > Seattle > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *dwight > veinot > *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 3:25 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Race Video > > > > Blue was close hauled with lots of power, what looks like an uncoordinated > crew and in close quarters. She was give way boat and it looks to me like > she was barging the line hell bent to get across inside of what looks like > the committee boat, and ahead and to windward of the fleet. If she went > up hard she either had to tack away or risk ramming what I think is the > committee boat. I can’t tell if the leeward boat had room to fall off > safely to avoid collision with blue without making a collision with the > boat below her, looks like she was being taken up too. I heard now up now > up now up now up so someone on Blue knew they were being taken up but I > don’t think the helmsman or the crew acted soon enough or fast enough. The > helmsman’s effort to steer up seemed ineffective, not much of a rudder on > that boat if you ask me. The mainsail trimmer tensioned for more close > hauled course and looks like the jib trimmer did the same…seems like the > crew did not know how to sail that boat under those conditions in close > quarters…they did not appear to know what to expect from the boat and the > crew…if I turned the wheel that aggressively on my 35 I feel certain she > would go up, now I have to try that to find out for sure and ruin a > perfectly nice beat some day. Haven’t raced in a while… what is in the > rule about barging > > > > Dwight Veinot > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > ------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5740 - Release Date: 04/12/13 > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >
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