On Jul 7, 6:42 am, nchubrich <nchubr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'll try :) It was really a polemical post for a polemical thread, > but my main points can be extracted here. Feel free to read as many > or as few of them as you are inclined
nchubrich, I've read your original post in its entirely, so forgive me for not having the time to read your points of summary. To be clear, I do *not* reflect in any way on the clojure community. As has been pointed out, I've only been around this group for ~3 weeks. Given though that I've only been around for ~3 weeks, it irked me to no measure that I saw things in those Steve Yegge's posts in that thread (here and on hackernews) that could've only indicated that had he only bothered to read what books had been published and what screencasts had been put out and what interviews and posts Rich Hickey and others had made he would've come to an understanding of the technical reasons why things with the core language are the way they are - I did - and had answers to his complaints and wouldn't have had to rant about them. Yup, it irked me that - evidently - he didn't even bother to learn the language properly and instead ranted vehemently against things right to its core (compiler etc), demanding they change. Those videos that Rich Hickey put out on blip.tv are outstanding. The guy is a natural teacher, technically brilliant and a joy to listen to. I think humility should go both ways. People should be humble enough to realize that no matter how "smart" they are that they always have to be willing and eager to learn. Yes, sorry, it's a fact of this trade that you should always be willing and eager to learn, and not a particular situation to this language community. You can never get too smart for these shifting sands of industry. Sorry, there's no excuse here. With regard to emacs, I've pointed out that I wasn't a fan and that I regarded it as too tinkerish for my taste, especially so in a thread in which I invited others to convince me to use it instead of netbeans. In any case, if you do want to use emacs and wish for an out of the box good user experience, then you may wish to have a look at this post by Sam Aaron in this group. I found it very useful and I must admit it made me play with emacs a bit. There really is nothing much to emacs, just knowing the shortcut keystrokes and doing them until they become finger/muscle memory: http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/c3c4febb5b0f0208 Again, to be clear, and I believe I pointed this out in my original post, I was *not* against the language growing in terms of users. I've emphasized that what I was against was that being seen as more important a goal than having a technically sound language. I could reply to more of your points, but not wishing this post to get too long, I'll stop here. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
