I'd be interested in seeing the ivy+ant solution. We use maven2 at
work and there are obvious pros and cons. With clojure, part of the
pain is initial setup and config. Maven2/ant+ivy might really help
that. Post when you get a chance...am very interested.

Thanks,
jason

On Apr 2, 8:56 pm, dysinger <dysin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maven2 is atrocious for big Java projects.  Lots of people have had
> the same experience you mentioned. In fact the first few lines of the
> readme on my clojure pom project on github says "Dont run away with
> your hair on fire" :) Give it a try. It is really simple.
>
> I think I'll give Ant + Ivy another run tonight.  I truly am after the
> best KISS dependency/package management solution  and not trying to
> push maven.
>
> On Apr 2, 3:10 pm, Korny Sietsma <ko...@sietsma.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:39 AM, dysinger <dysin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The Java world for good or bad has rallied
> > > around maven repos.  There are 10s of thousands of libs "up in there".
>
> > While there are lots of Java / Maven users, there are also a lot who *don't*
> > use it, and indeed many who actively avoid stuff that is locked in to Maven
> > and it's associated complexity.  It's popular, yes, but I'd debate that the
> > Java world has "rallied around" maven...
>
> > My workplace (200-ish developers) is mostly Java based, and we used to use
> > Maven 1 for a few core projects, went through some pain trying to move them
> > to Maven 2, gave up, and have been quite happy since then working with Ivy
> > and Ant.
>
> > I'm sure maven has a lot of benefits in many workplaces, and I'm sure it's
> > more stable and reliable than it was when Maven 2 was brand new :-}  But
> > personally, I still get post-traumatic flashbacks whenever I see the words
> > "simple" and "maven" in the same sentence :)
>
> > - Korny
>
> > --
> > Kornelis Sietsma  korny at my surname dot com
> > "Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part
> > that wonders what the part that isn't thinking
> > isn't thinking of"
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