Run SEC on complex prior to crystallization to remove single entities, provided 
size difference makes sense. Not too many column options though.

Vaheh

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I wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and ideas regarding the 
eyeball shaped crystals that I got at the beginning of the month.
I can confirm that these crystals do indeed contain protein and DNA which is 
good news.
I have tried a number of different buffers and salts since then. I have also 
tried seeding but nothing I have tried has changed the morphology of the 
crystals. They remain thin, flat and eyeball/pumpkin seed shaped.
It is not difficult to make the crystals, they form quite easily under quite a 
few conditions. The difficulty is in the diffraction. By changing the buffer 
conditions we can now see some very weak diffraction (previously there was no 
diffraction at all).
Are there any suggestions as to how to improve diffraction of these crystals? I 
did try different cryoprotectants, parabar, glycerol, PEG but no difference. I 
think perhaps the problem is heterogeneity considering my sample contains both 
protein and DNA.
Any suggestions or thoughts are welcome.
Thank you
Careina

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 06:18:46 PM GMT+2, 
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The reservior solution is 0.2 M NaCl2, 0.1 M HEPES pH 7.5, and 25% 3350 PEG

Protein buffer is 300 mM NaCl, 20 mM HEPES pH 7.5, 3mM TCEP

The drop contains 1.5ul protein-DNA complex and 1.5 ul reservior solution


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Hi Careina,

Without knowing what's in your protein buffer or crystallisation condition it's 
hard to comment.

Best wishes,
Steve

Dr Stephen Carr
Research Complex at Harwell (RCaH)
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
Harwell Oxford
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Subject: [ccp4bb] What could these crystals be?

Hi all
We have been trying with no success to crystalize a protein. Recently we got 
these strange shape "crystals". They are hard and flat but they do not diffract 
at all. Any ideas as to what could cause this?
Careina

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