Ok - I know Lee -- Not a good idea to debate. But thank you Lee and well put.
On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 6:07 PM Lee Glassman WA5LEE via BVARC < bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: > I was not going to join this conversation, but one of the messages in this > thread made me say WTF?? > > “. Just because I am not on the board or a member any more doesn't mean I > will let things go by.” > > > > I just have to say, if you are not a member, let alone a BOD member, why > the heck is this club and its activities any of your business? Who decided > that you are the designated Hall Monitor for BVARC, when you aren’t even > part of it anymore? > > > > I joined BVARC just about 2 years ago, in the midst of a bunch of people > trying to oust the current President and basically run the club ‘Their > Way’. It almost turned me off then, and I see that the same nonsense is > still being spewed by some individuals who just don’t like Mike Hardwick. > Well, just like Donald Trump, he was elected to the position. If you don’t > like it, there is no need to constantly spew vitriol about it. Run against > him. If you win, run the club the way you want to. If you DON’T win, STFU. > > > > I consider Mike to be a friend, just as I do many of you, including > Anthony, LIC.. Does not mean I have to agree with your views, nor you to > mine. I have seen the work Mike does Vis a Vis’ the MS150, the HHamfest, > as well as many other events over the years, all while having a REAL job > that takes so much of his time. Does he let some stuff ‘slip by’? SURE. > Which of us can claim they remember everything, all the time? > > > > Bottom line, if I were a new member, or a prospective member, knowing > little about BVARC other than what is posted on this reflector, this > thread, as well as the continuing personal attacks and hypocrisy I see here > and over 2 years, would make me think twice about joining. > > > > You have a problem with someone, say it to their face, or in a private > email. Your negative posts make the entire club look bad. > > > > Having a meeting cancelled at the last minute is NOT the end of the world. > Just because it does not meet the exacting standards of the by-laws, no one > on this reflector lost income, health, or family over it. This pissing > match needs to end. > > > > My 2c.. Let the hate mail begin, just send it to my private email address, > I will be more than happy to debate you.. > > > > *WA5LEE * > > *Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-L, COM-T, AUXC, * > > *RADO, ITSL, NREMT #**E3525310* > > *BVARC Life Member* > > *Tomball, Texas* > > *https://wa5lee.com <https://wa5lee.com/>* > > *Pronouns: Him/He* > > *HCOHSEM AUXCOMM* > > > > *From:* BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> *On Behalf Of *Mark McGrath via > BVARC > *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2025 5:15 PM > *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>; Richard Bonica < > kg5...@gmail.com>; terry leatherland <k5...@yahoo.com>; Eddie Runner < > eddie.run...@yahoo.com>; Gokhan KORALTURK <gok...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* Mark McGrath <m...@mcgrath-co.com>; anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] BOD and Hamfest meeting > > > > Damn. I’ve run out of popcorn. > > > > Number nine…. Number nine…. > > Number nine…. > > > > > > N5VCM > > Mark McGrath > > m...@mcgrath-co.com > > > > *From:* BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> *On Behalf Of *anthony moro via > BVARC > *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2025 5:01 PM > *To:* Richard Bonica <kg5...@gmail.com>; terry leatherland < > k5...@yahoo.com>; Eddie Runner <eddie.run...@yahoo.com>; Gokhan KORALTURK > <gok...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com>; BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB < > bvarc@bvarc.org> > *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] BOD and Hamfest meeting > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > First I would like y'all to understand that as a past member and past > board member, I hold the board to a high standard. For those who think I > "up and quiet", that is not what happened. I was not getting anywhere with > the president at that time, and was being told it's his way or the highway > ( he will never admit that). During my 2 year term I would bring things to > the board, it felt like my hands were being tied resulting in me finally > leaving the board. It was a better decision than to continue arguing with > him, so now I check in to the BOD meetings just to see if things have > changed. But I see nothing has. > > > > Richard, > > I was only asking about the BOD and Hamfest meetings not Winter or > Summer Field Day. I understand you try to get people to in some manner get > along. But sometimes there are some things we can't control. I never said > the president couldn't get sick.I am just saying the meeting should go on. > As for the by-law you quoted, there is nowhere to put up a note for the > Corresponding Secretary to let the members that want to attend the meeting > know about the change. Also in the email that was sent there was no date > and time for the meeting to be rescheduled. We, I mean Kori, Kirk and > myself were in the BOD meeting till 5:22pm. As for your remarks on > reprimanding people, that was the case. I was just asking a question and > used facts to back it up. > > > > Terry, > > I look to you as a great friend. I feel that as a great friend we should > be able to say things to the point, not beat around the bush. There was no > tone in the message, just a question. If you took it that way then I am > sorry. If I saw you doing something against what you told me or making the > rules fit only for your benefit, then yes I would tell you something like a > friend should. The RF and E-communications "Code-of-Conduct" you plan on > bringing to the board should not silence a member or non member from > wanting to ask questions. In no way, shape or form am I trying to look like > a bad person. Like I said in the beginning of this message (I hold the BOD > to a higher standard). > > > > John (KI5HOC), > > I am glad you are entertained. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Check out the next > show. Same Bat- Channel, maybe a different Bat-Time, Ha ha ha ha ha. > > > > Eddie, > > I had an axe to grind, but I lent it out to Rudy. Ha ha ha ha. I am glad > you showed me that this is the best place to get my voice heard by the club > and BOD members. > > Thanks man. > > > > Gokhan, > > A very well said email. > > > > Micheal Amos, > > I am very sorry that your friend was pushed over the fence during the 2023 > Hamfest meeting. I remember it well. I wish there was a way to maybe try > again with you friend. There are some great people on Ham radio. I have met > a few of them in this club and iI consider them to be great friends. > > > > Now for my last comment: > > To all the club members, the reflector is the best place to get your voice > heard. As you can tell I have gotten a few responses to my question. I hope > you all have read the whole story and not just a part of it, I would hate > for y'all to miss any little detail. Please continue being the best ham > operators you can be. Just because I am not on the board or a member any > more doesn't mean I will let things go by. Like I said to Terry, I see most > of y'all as good friends and would ask you straight away about anything. I > am not trying to cause discontent or angst in the club. As members you > should be able to question any board member at any given time about what > happened or what is happening. Remember the BOD serves you all, not the > other way around. The point of all this is that the BOD meeting should go > on no matter what. > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 12:35 PM Richard Bonica <kg5...@gmail.com> wrote: > > To All, > > > > I will once again step in here... > > > > Mr Ackerman, as of last HamFest, I tried to work with you to resolve > issues. I tried to take care of issues and all you wanted is for a member > to be removed. > > If this is the case, once again, let's make this a level playing field and > address non action during Winter Field day. Should we remove all members > that have faults? > > Let's even talk about Summer Field Day... We can go 2 for 2 on those... > > > > I worked on addressing your issues and you refused to work with me or even > talk to the person that was at the center of this. > > Also, if you goto the roster, there is a list of positions held for each > person, just look up that position. > > And the awards they got too. > > > > Please, feel free to look it up. > > > > As for volunteering, there are people that volunteer to help and do not > show. Now - I ask you, what should we do with those people? We had a full > staff last year at HamFest and people did not help. > > > > Now - this year I have already asked for people to help with the Summer > Field Day. As we had a VERY successful field day, I would expect people to > step up. Still waiting. > > > > Also, I want to know - last HamFest, we had a member that thought he had > all the answers. Instead of sticking around with the club, they threw a fit > and quit. So they took their bat and ball and went home. Only issue is we > have VERY strong members that stepped up and we kept the game going. > > > > As for the apologies, that is called adulting and taking responsibility. > They did not just run and hide. > > > > So, as I see this so far, we have had 2 people now point out that there > are people with lives and have no regard for the well being of others. Boy, > I hope that we see that this applies to everyone. So again.... > > > > Someone please check the rules for the Goose and the Gander? > > > > By the way, I looked up the FCC and ARRL Organization Structures, but I > still can not find the section named Saints. So I am sure there are issues > there too. No one is perfect. > > > > With that, EVERYONE of the Field Day and HamFest participants, THANK YOU > for your hard work and dedication. This club is not only a club, but a > family of long time members. > > > > It is easy to throw stones from the outside of the house. If you have an > issue, please join us and talk it out. As I pointed out before, talk to the > person and if you are not satisfied, get a NEUTRAL party and see what can > be done. > > > > “One of the greatest struggles of becoming an adult is figuring out what > you want to do and what makes you happy. The courageous thing is to stick > with it and see it through and see if you were correct.” –Kristen Stewart > > > > 73 > > KG5YCU - You know who I am.. > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 11:35 AM Rudolph Ackerman < > rudolph_acker...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > The problem is not with anyone that is posting to this thread. There > is one member of the board that is the problem. He requires EVERYTHING > to go through him. Then he drops the ball and NEVER follows up on > anything. The first 10 - 15 minutes of meetings are him apologizing for > not getting back to people. BVARC has a board or so it claims, but > if you look at the web site there is only one name/contact person listed, > and that one person is unreachable and does not reply to messages. > > > > During my time as a club member I saw lots of people willing to step up > and help with hamfest, and other club events only to be put down, > overlooked and flat out ignored by this one member. Nothing about this > club will change until that member is replaced. > > > > Rudy Ackerman > > KF5QYG > > > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2025 at 09:32:57 AM CST, Richard Bonica via BVARC < > bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: > > > > > > Because Emergencies happen. If a person is extremely sick, they can not > get to the meeting. > > Look it up - You can find yourself.... > > Also, if a person is not answering, and as a conscientious radio operator, > we should check in on them and find out what happened. > > As an active member, I called and found out. > > > > What do you think I should do for people that commit to a function and do > their job? I have a few situations right now.... > > Also, what do you think I need to do as a member when I was yelled at and > in a public place by an officer? > > > > As an active member, you are listed on the roster. You look for the > person's call sign or name and you can find their number. Just call and ask. > > But please, look on the roster for w5lic - you should see at least your > name. > > > > Someone please check the rules for the Goose and the Gander? > > > > Kori? you are in on this, what are your thoughts? Do we need to continue > or should we stop now? > > I would put that question to Mike, but I know he is temporarily > unavailable today.. He has a life too. You are next in command, and should > be able to set the example. > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 7:50 PM anthony moro via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> > wrote: > > I wanted to know the reason why the club president did not give notice as > per the by-laws about the club BOD meeting. I know some of the board > members make time to be there, why can't he? At least give notice as per > the by-laws. Canceling the meeting the day of is not the right thing to do. > > > > (Article V Section G > > Provisions applicable to meetings of the Board of Directors shall be: > 1. The board of directors shall meet monthly on the first Thursday of the > month at 7:30 PM at a location voted > upon at a previous board of directors meeting unless changed by a > majority of the board members by giving proper notice 7 days in advance.. > Special meetings may be called by either a majority of the board members or > the > Chairman with 7 days notice either in writing or by verbal contact with > each Board member.) > > > > As for the Hamfest meeting the by-laws don't play a factor here but some > common courtesy should be shown to the people that are helping the > coordinator of the event. > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/527a9296/uwMwOVwPKk29CyiVMjdn6Q?u=http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/6eed6c5a/JlMJeo3daEuoW9OW13JXQA?u=https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/> > > > > -- > > Richard Bonica > C: 281.935.7222 > Email: kg5...@gmail.com > Freq: 147.000 - DMR - Digital Mobile > Territory: NE Fort Bend > CERT, CST, EST, WEB EOC, HSEEP, FEMA PD, Wilderness First Aid, CPR, Extra > Ameture Radio > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/527a9296/uwMwOVwPKk29CyiVMjdn6Q?u=http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org> > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/6eed6c5a/JlMJeo3daEuoW9OW13JXQA?u=https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/> > > > > -- > > Richard Bonica > C: 281.935.7222 > Email: kg5...@gmail.com > Freq: 147.000 - DMR - Digital Mobile > Territory: NE Fort Bend > CERT, CST, EST, WEB EOC, HSEEP, FEMA PD, Wilderness First Aid, CPR, Extra > Ameture Radio > > > > > -- > > *Anthony Morones* > > * W5LIC* > > *w5li...@gmail.com <w5li...@gmail.com>* > > * 713-410-3948* > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ > -- Richard Bonica C: 281.935.7222 Email: kg5...@gmail.com Freq: 147.000 - DMR - Digital Mobile Territory: NE Fort Bend CERT, CST, EST, WEB EOC, HSEEP, FEMA PD, Wilderness First Aid, CPR, Extra Ameture Radio
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