Murray (as AD),

Re: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9755.html

Would you please offer guidance on whether to add the "Note that when" 
paragraph in Section 7 (pasted below)? My understanding is that we do not have 
consensus among the authors on whether to add it (specificially, the authors 
are 1 in favor, 1 against, and 1 OK either way). The WG chair (Bron) wrote "no 
strong preference either way".

To review the mails during AUTH48, please see:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?as=1&email_list=auth48archive&end_date=&q=subject%3A%289755%29&qdr=a&start_date=

Thank you.
RFC Editor/ar
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> On Feb 10, 2025, at 2:34 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen <a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have reviewed the changes you made; very nice work. Thanks.
> 
> I would like to insert one additional paragraph, to clarify a nonobvious 
> consequence. In section 7, the second-to-last paragraph starts with "All IMAP 
> servers that support "UTF8=ACCEPT" SHOULD accept UTF-8 in mailbox names". 
> Please insert the following paragraph after that paragraph:
> 
> Note that when mailbox names comply with with the Net-Unicode Definition 
> ([RFC5198] as described in the previous paragraph, they cannot any longer 
> comply with the modified UTF-7 convention described in [RFC3501]. This 
> implies that once UTF8=ACCEPT is enabled, neither clients nor servers may 
> send mailbox names using modified UTF-7, they may only send UTF-8. (The same 
> applies when IMAP4rev2 has been enabled. "A&-B" is an example that shows the 
> conflict clearly.) 
> Arnt


> On Feb 12, 2025, at 1:58 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen <a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no> 
> wrote:
> 
> Pete Resnick <resn...@episteme.net> writes:
>> This seems like a substantive change in the document and while I think it is 
>> probably right, I think it is sufficiently covered by the first paragraph of 
>> section 7 and I wouldn't want to make this change without WG approval, not 
>> in AUTH48. Arnt: Do you really want to hold up the document for this? 
> 
> FYI I sent mail to the WG list on 2025-01-27, two weeks before AUTH48.  That 
> was late, so search for "late" in the subject ;)
> 
> I did that because a maintainer had pointed out to me that my pull request 
> for their code might not be compliant, according to his reading of the RFC. I 
> read 6855 and thought he had a point. The existing text is clear enough for 
> all of the IETF regulars, but I can see how someone like he might wonder what 
> the correct behaviour is.
> 
> When this happens I'm in a bind. I may not get my code merged with ANY 
> behaviour, because the maintainer won't see ANY behaviour as clearly covered 
> by the RFC.
> 
> So by now I lean towards making it abundantly clear. Not just "sufficiently 
> covered", but abundantly. Does this make sense?
> 
> Arnt
> 

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