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3) <!--[rfced] The short title that spans the top of the PDF file was
absent. We were able to fit the full title, so we included it. If
any further updates are desired, please let us know.

Current (in PDF file):
   IETF Meeting Venue Requirements Review   
-->


4) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in
the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->


5) <!--[rfced] Is this document "proposing" or "providing" updates to
RFCs 8718 and 8719? May we update the Abstract's lead-in sentence
from "this document proposes updates" to "this document was
developed to update" as shown below for clarity?

Original:
   Following a review of the IETF meeting venue requirements, this
   document proposes updates to RFC 8718 "IETF Plenary Meeting Venue
   Selection Process", clarifies how the IETF Administration Support
   Activity (IASA) should interpret some elements of RFC 8718, and
   proposes a replacement exploratory meeting process, thereby updating
   RFC 8719 "High-Level Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the IETF".

Perhaps:
   Following a review of the IETF meeting venue requirements, this
   document was developed to update "IETF Plenary Meeting Venue
   Selection Process" (RFC 8718), clarify how the IETF Administration 
   Support Activity (IASA) should interpret some elements of RFC 8718,
   and specify a replacement exploratory meeting process, thereby 
   updating "High-Level Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the IETF" 
   (RFC 8719).
-->


6) <!--[rfced] Is "informed" the intended word here or would
"communicated" be clearer?

Original:
   The IASA has reviewed the venue selection in light of these
   developments, primarily informed by the staff who work on venue
   selection, and has identified a number of issues to be addressed 
   by a combination of updates to those RFCs and clarifications of
   interpretation.

Perhaps:
   The IASA has reviewed the venue selection in light of these
   developments, which were primarily communicated by the staff who 
   work on venue selection, and has identified a number of issues 
   to be addressed by a combination of updates to those RFCs and 
   clarifications of interpretation.
-->


7) <!--[rfced] The text in Section 2 works off of the section title. To
avoid this and the use of a colon in the section title, may
we insert a lead-in sentence as shown below?

Original:
   2. Summary of changes to [RFC8718] and [RFC8719]:

     1.  Updates the Meeting (Rotation) Policy of [RFC8719] with 
         a new process for the selection of exploratory meetings...

Perhaps:
   2. Summary of Changes to RFCs 8718 and 8719

     This document makes the following changes to [RFC8718] and [RFC8719]:

     1.  Updates the Meeting (Rotation) Policy specified in [RFC8719] with 
         a new process for the selection of exploratory meetings...
-->


8) <!-- [rfced] FYI: We updated the quoted text from RFC 8718 to exactly
match (i.e., we updated "one-third of the projected attendees" to
"one-third or more of projected meeting attendees") as shown
below.

Original: 
   3.  Updates the room block requirement of [RFC8718] from "one-third of the
       projected attendees" to a more flexible "sufficient rooms to meet the 
       expected demand".

Current:
   3.  Updates the room block requirement specified in [RFC8718] from
       "one-third or more of projected meeting attendees" to a more
       flexible "sufficient rooms to meet the expected demand".
-->


9) <!-- [rfced] FYI: We removed repeated text that appeared to be a typo (the
text was the same as what appears in the next <blockquote> after "and"):

Original:
   [...] the meeting policy (let's call this the "1-1-1" policy) is that 
meetings
   should rotate between North America, Europe, and Asia. the 1-1-1-* meeting
   policy is a slightly modified version of the aforementioned 1-1-1 meeting
   policy that allows for additional flexibility in the form of an exploratory
   meeting (denoted with an "*").

Current:
   [...] the meeting policy (let's call this the "1-1-1" policy) is that 
meetings
   should rotate between North America, Europe, and Asia. 
-->


10) <!--[rfced] There are two instances of "to accommodate us". Is it okay
to refer to "us", or would it be clearer (or more formal) to say
"to accommodate the IETF meeting requirements" as shown below?

Original:
    *  There are a limited number of hotels (and therefore cities)
       with large enough meeting space and sufficient rooms to
       accommodate us.

   While a "one-roof" venue is preferred, there are a limited number of
   hotels (and therefore cities) with large enough meeting space and
   sufficient rooms to accommodate us.

Perhaps:
    *  There are a limited number of hotels (and therefore cities)
       with large enough meeting space and sufficient rooms to
       accommodate the IETF meeting requirements.

   While a "one-roof" venue is preferred, there are a limited number of
   hotels (and therefore cities) with large enough meeting space and
   sufficient rooms to accommodate the IETF meeting requirements.
-->


11) <!-- [rfced] FYI: RFC 8718 states "one-third or more of projected
meeting attendees" rather than "one-third of the projected
attendees", so we have updated the text accordingly.

Original:
   To address this, this document updates Section 3.2.4 of [RFC8718] to
   replace the requirement for the total room block in the IETF Hotels
   from "one-third of the projected attendees" to a more flexible
   "sufficient rooms to meet the expected demand".

Current:
   To address this issue, this document updates Section 3.2.4 of [RFC8718]
   by replacing the total room block requirement for the IETF Hotels from
   "one-third or more of projected attendees" to a more flexible
   "sufficient rooms to meet the expected demand".
 -->


12) <!--[rfced] Can "hiring" be replaced with "renting" or "providing" for
clarity as shown below?

Original:
   The IASA has responded to this feedback by adopting
   a new practice of hiring in hallway seating whenever 
   that provided by the venue is insufficient.

Perhaps:
   The IASA has responded to this feedback by adopting
   a new practice of renting in-hallway seating whenever 
   that provided by the venue is insufficient.
-->


13) <!-- [rfced] FYI: We updated the following text to make the sections
and RFC being referenced clearer:

Original:
   To address this, is updated as follows: [RFC8718]

   1.  Section 3.2.2 is updated so that the bullet on ad-hoc meeting
       space now reads:

        There are sufficient, easily accessible places within the
        Facility for people to hold ad hoc conversations and group
        discussions.

   2.  Section 3.2.4 is updated so that the bullet on the lounge now
       reads:

        There are sufficient places within the Facility suitable for
        people to work online on their own devices.

Current:
   To address this, [RFC8718] is updated as follows:

   1.  Section 3.2.2 of [RFC8718] is updated so that the entry on
       ad hoc meeting space (first bullet) now reads:

       |  There are sufficient, easily accessible places within the
       |  Facility for people to hold ad hoc conversations and group
       |  discussions.

   2.  Section 3.2.4 of [RFC8718] is updated so that the entry on 
       the lounge (sixth bullet) now reads:

       |  There are sufficient places within the Facility suitable for
       |  people to work online on their own devices.
-->


14) <!--[rfced] Are these contributors considered coauthors for their
contributions, or should the Contributors section perhaps be
retitled "Acknowledgements" and the text be updated as shown
below? Please let us know your preference.

Original:
   Contributors

      Thanks to all of the contributors: Laura Nugent, Stephanie McCammon,
      Alexa Morris, Greg Wood, Lars Eggert Eggert and Jason Livingood.

Perhaps:
   Acknowledgements

       Thanks to the following people for their contributions to 
       this document: Laura Nugent, Stephanie McCammon, Alexa Morris, 
       Greg Wood, Lars Eggert Eggert, and Jason Livingood.
-->


15) <!-- [rfced] Terminology

a) Throughout the text, the following terminology appears to be used 
inconsistently. Please review these occurrences and let us know if/how they
may be made consistent.  

 Lounge vs. lounge 
   (Note: lowercase in RFC 8718)

 Meeting (Rotation) Policy vs. meeting rotation policy
   (Note: appears as "meeting policy" in RFC 8719. Perhaps use 
   "meeting (rotation) policy" or "meeting rotation policy"  
   for consistency in Sections 2 and 3.1.)

 One Roof vs. one roof
   (Note: uppercase in RFC 8718.)

 Overflow Hotels vs. overflow hotels
   (Note: uppercase in RFC 8718.)

 Terminal Room
   (Note: lowercase in RFC 8718 and other RFCs.)


b) Should one instance of "facility" perhaps be "Facility" in Section 4.1.2?

Original:
   *  Group discussions can more naturally move from the facility to
      the hotel.

Perhaps:
   *  Group discussions can move more naturally from the facility to
      the hotel.
-->


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still be reviewed as a best practice.
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Thank you.

RFC Editor/kc


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RFC9712 (draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requirements-03)

Title            : IETF Meeting Venue Requirements Review
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