Check out this CFJ:
     https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3411

result:  R2125 may need to have better handshakes with external reality
to handle this sort of thing.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote:
> How does 869 interact with determining the gamestate exclusively
> through public fora anyways? The public fora doesn't have record of
> whether each registered player is a discrete organism capable of
> freely originating and communicating independent thoughts and ideas,
> it just assumes that players are following the rules when they
> register. Before the moment of registration, a person's personness is
> only calculable outside of public fora. I guess registration is
> activating a restricted action, which makes me prefer G's possibility
> to CB's, but I'm honestly a little stumped on that one.
> 
> also i'm a big fan of "the crime of invisibilating"
> 
> 
> -grok
> 
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This whole conversation rung a memory bell for me, something Old (12+ years 
> > old) that might be
> > still in effect!
> >
> > There was a Proposal, that read something like the following:
> >
> >    Be it Hereby Proclaimed that from this moment forward, anyone who causes 
> > gamestate
> >    changes without creating a public record is Guilty of the Crime of 
> > Invisibilitating.
> >
> > Note that Instruments don't lose power (they just reach the end of their 
> > effects).  So
> > if a Proposal defines an effect as ongoing, there's still a Powered 
> > instrument out there
> > proclaiming people guilty of this crime whenever they do it...
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> >> Public messages. You can send a message to all players separately and have 
> >> it count as public,
> >> presumably as a defense against fora going down suddenly.
> >>
> >> Gaelan
> >>
> >> > On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The Telepathy problem seems like a puzzle to crack, I'd like to keep on 
> >> > trying:
> >> >
> >> > Proto:
> >> >
> >> > Title: No Telepathy v2
> >> > AI: ?
> >> > Content: Add to rule (something):
> >> >
> >> > "The gamestate is at all times calculable from information posted at the 
> >> > public fora."
> >>
> >
>

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