Check out this CFJ: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3411
result: R2125 may need to have better handshakes with external reality to handle this sort of thing. On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > How does 869 interact with determining the gamestate exclusively > through public fora anyways? The public fora doesn't have record of > whether each registered player is a discrete organism capable of > freely originating and communicating independent thoughts and ideas, > it just assumes that players are following the rules when they > register. Before the moment of registration, a person's personness is > only calculable outside of public fora. I guess registration is > activating a restricted action, which makes me prefer G's possibility > to CB's, but I'm honestly a little stumped on that one. > > also i'm a big fan of "the crime of invisibilating" > > > -grok > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > > > This whole conversation rung a memory bell for me, something Old (12+ years > > old) that might be > > still in effect! > > > > There was a Proposal, that read something like the following: > > > > Be it Hereby Proclaimed that from this moment forward, anyone who causes > > gamestate > > changes without creating a public record is Guilty of the Crime of > > Invisibilitating. > > > > Note that Instruments don't lose power (they just reach the end of their > > effects). So > > if a Proposal defines an effect as ongoing, there's still a Powered > > instrument out there > > proclaiming people guilty of this crime whenever they do it... > > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> Public messages. You can send a message to all players separately and have > >> it count as public, > >> presumably as a defense against fora going down suddenly. > >> > >> Gaelan > >> > >> > On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > The Telepathy problem seems like a puzzle to crack, I'd like to keep on > >> > trying: > >> > > >> > Proto: > >> > > >> > Title: No Telepathy v2 > >> > AI: ? > >> > Content: Add to rule (something): > >> > > >> > "The gamestate is at all times calculable from information posted at the > >> > public fora." > >> > > >