I am too old to fight and too young to die.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 2:15 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

> I don’t have any direct access to repeating firearms and not quick access
> to some antique single shot bolt action 22 cal rifles.
>
> I don’t want to have that as an option forcing me to think of perhaps
> better options.  Hope I never regret this but I have made it this far
> without needing to shoot anyone.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2025 12:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
> I took my ccl, certificate is weird, technically good for life until I
> submit it, then the expiration of the license starts countdown. I never
> submitted because all your vehicle registrations pop up ccl driver. too
> many idiots drive my vehicles. besides I still have too hot a temper to
> carry, so many people would talk so much less if they were just trying to
> breath through their sternum.  plus in illinois it's hard to shoot a home
> invader, three things have to align to give somebody breathing room in
> their chest cavity, you're better off just snaring them and keeping a pet
> in the basement.
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 8:36 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve makes it sound like an episode of Justified.
>>
>> Which reminds me, did they revive that show?
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"
>> Sent: 1/2/2025 7:46:52 PM
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>>
>>
>> Wow this is getting deep.
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>> Date: Thu, Jan 2, 2025 3:15 PM
>>
>> illinois foid has been ruled unconstitutional, but never to the point of
>> trashing it. it used to be good for 10 years and acted as a lawful photo
>> ID, now it's not and the renewals are weird. you used to be able to get one
>> clean at the age of 14, but now it's 21, younger you have to be sponsored
>> and the sponsor gets charged for any crime you commit..
>> ccl is a statewide license, 1 to 2 day course depending on your
>> background. without ccl, all magazines last i knew had to be transported
>> empty  of ammunition. Chicago's handgun ban went up in flames when the ccl
>> laws went in effect.
>> there is an unconstitutional "assault weapon" ban on the books that also
>> bans "high capacity" magazines. the ban is currently ruled unconstitutional
>> but is still in effect pending the states appeal.
>>
>> we don't have time to poke our cousins in illinois, because we are too
>> busy trying to figure out what rights we have, that and most of our cousins
>> are meth heads here.
>>
>> pretty sure if everybody took a 23andme across the country, we would all
>> find closer cousins than we thought. lots of spring kneed wives and
>> wandering husband's in this place. you get into the urban areas where the
>> generational public housing is at its 5th, 6th, 7th generation of
>> fatherless households, the numbers probably make rural kentuckians cringe
>> at the volume of familial breeding going on.
>> redneck Feskus blushes at the thought.
>>
>> China, with all its prior breeding restrictions probably had less of an
>> inbreeding problem since there weren't as many cousins floating around.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 2:19?PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Had to look it up.  You are right, I was wrong.  Need a concealed carry
>>> license which are issued by the Illinois State Police (the other ISP).
>>> Good throughout the state including City of Chicago.  And it appears that
>>> Illinois does not recognize CCL’s from other states..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like there might be a city ordinance on the books against high
>>> capacity magazines which has not been tested and probably would not stand
>>> up.  I suspect the city might make it difficult to open a gun store within
>>> city limits, but you would just need to go a few miles to find one, or to
>>> Wisconsin or Indiana where you can probably buy howitzers and ICBMs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *jay weekley
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 12:23 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:a...@af..afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the FOID is just to own a firearm.  I believe a permit is still
>>> needed to carry one in public.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 9:40?AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are those the states where nobody noticed when they replaced Bo and Luke
>>> with Coy and Vance?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as owning a gun in Chicago, I believe most of those rules are set
>>> by the state.  Illinois requires a FOID card.  I’m not aware of any
>>> prohibition against OWNING a gun in the City of Chicago.  I don’t believe
>>> open carry is allowed.  Concealed carry is allowed with a FOID card but
>>> prohibited in schools, bars and on CTA trains.  Business owners can post a
>>> state approved sign saying guns are not allowed in their establishment.
>>> Bars (consumption-on-premises establishments) are required to post such a
>>> sign.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 8:56 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Try owning a gun in LA, Chicago, or NYC.  When you're arrested and
>>> thrown in jail I want to hear you cry "but it's a constitutional right".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 9:46?AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pretty sure all state allow gun ownership as it is a constitutional
>>> right. Some try to restrict it, but a lot of those cases will be making
>>> their way to the SC this year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 7:30?AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The ones that permit gun ownership?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 7:41?AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a very odd combination of states t hat do and do not allow it.
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From: *ch...@go-mtc.com
>>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
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