Steve makes it sound like an episode of Justified.Which reminds me, did they 
revive that show?---- Original Message ----From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" Sent: 
1/2/2025 7:46:52 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
OT Politics


Wow this is getting deep.??----- Reply message -----From: "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
<af@af.afmug.com>Subject: [AFMUG] OT PoliticsDate: Thu, Jan 2, 2025 3:15 
PMillinois foid has been ruled unconstitutional, but never to the point of 
trashing it. it used to be good for 10 years and acted as a lawful photo ID, 
now it's not and the renewals are weird. you used to be able to get one clean 
at the age of 14, but now it's 21, younger you have to be sponsored and the 
sponsor gets charged for any crime you commit..ccl is a statewide license, 1 to 
2 day course depending on your background. without ccl, all magazines last i 
knew had to be transported empty? of ammunition. Chicago's handgun ban went up 
in flames when the ccl laws went in effect.there is an unconstitutional 
"assault weapon" ban on the books that also bans "high capacity" magazines. the 
ban is currently ruled unconstitutional but is still in effect pending the 
states appeal.we don't have time to poke our cousins in illinois, because we 
are too busy trying to figure out what rights we have, that and most of our 
cousins are meth heads here.pretty sure if everybody took a 23andme across the 
country, we would all find closer cousins than we thought. lots of spring kneed 
wives and wandering husband's in this place. you get into the urban areas where 
the generational public housing is at its 5th, 6th, 7th generation of 
fatherless households, the numbers probably make rural kentuckians cringe at 
the volume of familial breeding going on.?redneck Feskus blushes at the 
thought.China, with all its prior breeding restrictions probably had less of an 
inbreeding problem since there weren't as many cousins floating around.On Thu, 
Jan 2, 2025, 2:19?PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Had to look it up.? 
You are right, I was wrong.? Need a concealed carry license which are issued by 
the Illinois State Police (the other ISP).? Good throughout the state including 
City of Chicago.? And it appears that Illinois does not recognize CCL?s from 
other states..?Looks like there might be a city ordinance on the books against 
high capacity magazines which has not been tested and probably would not stand 
up.? I suspect the city might make it difficult to open a gun store within city 
limits, but you would just need to go a few miles to find one, or to Wisconsin 
or Indiana where you can probably buy howitzers and ICBMs?From: AF 
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of jay weekleySent: Thursday, January 2, 
2025 12:23 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] OT Politics?I think the FOID is just to own a firearm.? I believe a 
permit is still needed to carry one in public.??On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 9:40?AM 
Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Are those the states where nobody noticed 
when they replaced Bo and Luke with Coy and Vance??As far as owning a gun in 
Chicago, I believe most of those rules are set by the state.? Illinois requires 
a FOID card.? I?m not aware of any prohibition against OWNING a gun in the City 
of Chicago.? I don?t believe open carry is allowed.? Concealed carry is allowed 
with a FOID card but prohibited in schools, bars and on CTA trains.? Business 
owners can post a state approved sign saying guns are not allowed in their 
establishment.? Bars (consumption-on-premises establishments) are required to 
post such a sign.?From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh 
LuthmanSent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 8:56 AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics?Try owning a gun in LA, 
Chicago, or NYC.? When you're arrested and thrown in jail I want to hear you 
cry "but it's a constitutional right".?On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 9:46?AM Cameron 
Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote:Pretty sure all state allow gun ownership as 
it is a constitutional?right. Some try to restrict it, but a lot of those cases 
will be making their way to the SC this year.??On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 7:30?AM 
Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:The ones that permit gun 
ownership??On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 7:41?AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> 
wrote:It's a very odd combination of states t hat do and do not allow 
it.-----Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP?From: chuck@go-mtc.comTo: af@af.afmug.comSent: Wednesday, January 
1, 2025 5:58:05 PMSubject: [AFMUG] OT ?PoliticsThis explains everything:? 
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