Oddly enough, we just had a "breach". I was teamviewer into a techs pc to do some CBRS stuff with him and a credential manager popped up. He had apparently asked the owner if he could use one. He had his personal account set up on both a company phone and the workstation. He came from a corporate world, and I asked him what he thought would have happened when his IT director (technically me) found out he went around him to get permission to install 3rd party software from the CEO (the owner) capable of exfiltrating company passwords to a non company owned asset outside the organization. He knew hed have been fired on the spot. I made it clear at the other company im working for now, I would have fired him.
Convenience, or security, we cant have both. We even have a company managed credential management software... but we say how well that worked for secure users of lastpass. nothing is secure, we are all going to die this year when the AIs get fed up with our illogical shit and turn up the gas. On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 12:15 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > NetSapiens android app quit working for me in the sense I can't make a > phone call out. I'm simply using Zoiper (free edition). > > There was an iPhone app update (not iOS, the app) around the same time and > it had some issues, I forget what it was. I think my techs are still using > the iPhone app to call customers, though. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 9:20 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> "the Netsapiens app went to shit recently." >> >> Can you elaborate? We're likely to migrate to NetSapiens in the next 6 >> months. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Monday, December 30, 2024 1:27:31 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >> >> Same. Atheral switch + Zoiper (free) because the Netsapiens app went to >> shit recently. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 2:23 PM David Hannum <dhan...@mynewera.net> >> wrote: >> >>> We actually use our VoIP app. This allows for outgoing calls to appear >>> that they come from our office and it protects the employee from exposing >>> their personal number to customers. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 12:36 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I find the last thing employees or 1099 contractors want is for >>>> customers to start calling or texting their personal phone numbers. They >>>> will call me at the office and have me call the customer, otherwise the >>>> customer will save their cellphone number and never call the office again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also seems like it would open up a couple scenarios, maybe the first >>>> one doesn’t bother you, the second one probably does. Scenario #1 – >>>> customer calls employee about a side job like wiring up a security camera >>>> and employee does it on their own time and gets paid directly. Scenario #2 >>>> – employee leaves or gets fired, and takes your customers with him to his >>>> next employer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 11:13 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> yep, its almost 2025, tons of options for inbound/outbound. I just like >>>> the dialin so no busines sbuttdials or drunk dials occur >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For texting, I hate it many people send messages to both numbers, so i >>>> have to ignore two texts instead of 1 now >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 10:55 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> For the company telephone number issue, shouldn’t it be possible to >>>> give them a softphone app? Assumes your office phone system is VoIP and >>>> they have Internet access from their phone where they are working. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 9:39 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ive carried 2 phones for 15 years. >>>> >>>> I hate it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My biggest issue is the company telephone number. I thought about going >>>> dual sim, but meh. >>>> >>>> Just pay their personal bill, or offer a stipend. If you need them >>>> calling out as the company, give them a redirect in your phone system and >>>> forward their extension to their cell. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that is >>>> secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate your data, >>>> theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. If theyre going to >>>> get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Providing a phone is just giving them one other thing to break. And its >>>> just one more thing to have to recover when you shitcan them. and its just >>>> one more thing to keep charged, an you know for a fact their wife or kid >>>> took the charger because tiktok drained their battery. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If they dont want to be tracked, fuckem and fire them if they >>>> wont accept the fact that they dont matter enough to track in their >>>> personal time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Matter of fact, just hit them with a pipe, save a whole lot of headache >>>> and cell expense. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is running out of minutes still a thing? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum >>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 8:11 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We supplement $10/mo. to each employee who uses their phone for company >>>> work (field techs, etc). As a result, if they ever run out of minutes, it >>>> bites them at review time. We've had very little issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:33 AM Josh Luthman < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's not their entire device, but there are requirements like the >>>> password/pin/face unlock/etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Think of it this way: start with a personal phone and then slap on a >>>> "work expansion card". When appropriate you rip out that expansion card, >>>> leaving them with their personal stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Your employees allow and you'd want control over their personal devices? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 29, 2024 10:00:40 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Google Workspace at minimum requires a code to access the device (pin, >>>> fingerprint, etc.) Yon can require 2fa. Once the device is auth'ed the >>>> admin has control over the workspace account (in our case anything at >>>> imaginenetworksllc.com) <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F6328679%3Fhl%3Den&assistant_event=welcome&assistant_id=mdmbot&product_context=6328679&product_name=UnuFlow&trigger_context=a >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 9:14 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Part of data security also is about device compliance. Is there a pin? >>>> Is it rooted? Are there vulnerable applications installed? etc. >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:50:03 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Using Google stuff here, any of the "work profile" or "G Suite account" >>>> data gets wiped if it ever reaches connectivity. Doesn't prevent any local >>>> cache from getting read, but you have to draw the line somewhere. >>>> >>>> Not like a company provided phone would prevent theft. >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> How do you handle data security with personal phones? >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *"Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2024 2:14:55 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> My 2 Cents: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Don’t waste your time or money. The excuses still come. You have some >>>> who are all for it, others who will carry two phones, and even those who >>>> want no part of it and want ‘control’. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> I stopped doing it a couple years ago. Saves the company a lot of >>>> money. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> *Tyson Burris* >>>> *President & CEO* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Internet Communications Inc (ICI) >>>> >>>> 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Mobile mobile-icon]317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) >>>> [image: phone phone-icon]317-738-0320 (office) >>>> [image: Email email-icon] *t...@franklinisp.net <t...@franklinisp.net>* >>>> [image: website website-icon] *www.surfici.net >>>> <http://www.surfici.net>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> *Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - >>>> IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> *Active Member To The Following**:* <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> WISPA <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> NBBC <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >>>> addressed. 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