On Dec 30, 2024, at 9:47 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
Sometimes we hear of a big company that gets hit with ransomware, and
everyone criticizes them because their systems are down for days up
to a week or more before they restore from backups.
And I’m no expert, but I think to myself maybe they have offline
backups on physical media not connected to the Internet or networked
with the compromised servers. But they are meticulously rebuilding
every other computer on their network from bare metal before
restoring the backups. Which may actually indicate they are smarter
than the average bear.
So many times with telecom systems I’ve seen a customer get corrupted
data in one bank of NVRAM, and they panic and do a backup after the
incident, writing the corrupted data over the good data in the other
bank.
Of course, if state actors target you, they can hack even airgapped
computers. Ask our friends in Israel, and I assume China also has
that capability along with several other countries.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 10:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones
we had a client who got nearly bankrupted last year when lockbit 3.0
got them, even their backups and their backup server.
you can have convenience or you can have security, and even if you
have security, you don't. multimillion dollar companies with
multimillion dollar security investments get hit. there is nothing
powered on that is safe
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 8:19 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
"There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that
is secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate
your data, theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is.
If theyre going to get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless
of whos phone it is."
I think the point there is that businesses need to start caring
about this kind of stuff.
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*From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, December 30, 2024 9:38:55 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones
Ive carried 2 phones for 15 years.
I hate it
My biggest issue is the company telephone number. I thought about
going dual sim, but meh.
Just pay their personal bill, or offer a stipend. If you need
them calling out as the company, give them a redirect in your
phone system and forward their extension to their cell.
There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that
is secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate
your data, theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is.
If theyre going to get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless
of whos phone it is.
Providing a phone is just giving them one other thing to break.
And its just one more thing to have to recover when you shitcan
them. and its just one more thing to keep charged, an you know
for a fact their wife or kid took the charger because tiktok
drained their battery.
If they dont want to be tracked, fuckem and fire them if they
wont accept the fact that they dont matter enough to track in
their personal time.
Matter of fact, just hit them with a pipe, save a whole lot of
headache and cell expense.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
Is running out of minutes still a thing?
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
*Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 8:11 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones
We supplement $10/mo. to each employee who uses their phone
for company work (field techs, etc). As a result, if they
ever run out of minutes, it bites them at review time. We've
had very little issue.
Dave
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:33 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
It's not their entire device, but there are requirements
like the password/pin/face unlock/etc.
Think of it this way: start with a personal phone and
then slap on a "work expansion card". When appropriate
you rip out that expansion card, leaving them with their
personal stuff.
On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
Your employees allow and you'd want control over
their personal devices?
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*Sent: *Sunday, December 29, 2024 10:00:40 AM
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Google Workspace at minimum requires a code to access
the device (pin, fingerprint, etc.) Yon can require
2fa. Once the device is auth'ed the admin has control
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 9:14 AM Mike Hammett
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Part of data security also is about device
compliance. Is there a pin? Is it rooted? Are
there vulnerable applications installed? etc.
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*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
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*Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:50:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones
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Using Google stuff here, any of the "work
profile" or "G Suite account" data gets wiped if
it ever reaches connectivity. Doesn't prevent any
local cache from getting read, but you have to
draw the line somewhere.
Not like a company provided phone would prevent
theft. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
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How do you handle data security with personal
phones? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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*Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2024 2:14:55 PM
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Don’t waste your time or money. The excuses
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it, others who will carry two phones, and
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I stopped doing it a couple years ago. Saves
the company a lot of money.
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