NetSapiens android app quit working for me in the sense I can't make a phone call out. I'm simply using Zoiper (free edition).
There was an iPhone app update (not iOS, the app) around the same time and it had some issues, I forget what it was. I think my techs are still using the iPhone app to call customers, though. On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 9:20 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > "the Netsapiens app went to shit recently." > > Can you elaborate? We're likely to migrate to NetSapiens in the next 6 > months. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Monday, December 30, 2024 1:27:31 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones > > Same. Atheral switch + Zoiper (free) because the Netsapiens app went to > shit recently. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 2:23 PM David Hannum <dhan...@mynewera.net> wrote: > >> We actually use our VoIP app. This allows for outgoing calls to appear >> that they come from our office and it protects the employee from exposing >> their personal number to customers. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 12:36 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >> >>> I find the last thing employees or 1099 contractors want is for >>> customers to start calling or texting their personal phone numbers. They >>> will call me at the office and have me call the customer, otherwise the >>> customer will save their cellphone number and never call the office again. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also seems like it would open up a couple scenarios, maybe the first one >>> doesn’t bother you, the second one probably does. Scenario #1 – customer >>> calls employee about a side job like wiring up a security camera and >>> employee does it on their own time and gets paid directly. Scenario #2 – >>> employee leaves or gets fired, and takes your customers with him to his >>> next employer. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 11:13 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>> >>> >>> >>> yep, its almost 2025, tons of options for inbound/outbound. I just like >>> the dialin so no busines sbuttdials or drunk dials occur >>> >>> >>> >>> For texting, I hate it many people send messages to both numbers, so i >>> have to ignore two texts instead of 1 now >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 10:55 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>> >>> For the company telephone number issue, shouldn’t it be possible to give >>> them a softphone app? Assumes your office phone system is VoIP and they >>> have Internet access from their phone where they are working. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 9:39 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>> >>> >>> >>> Ive carried 2 phones for 15 years. >>> >>> I hate it >>> >>> >>> >>> My biggest issue is the company telephone number. I thought about going >>> dual sim, but meh. >>> >>> Just pay their personal bill, or offer a stipend. If you need them >>> calling out as the company, give them a redirect in your phone system and >>> forward their extension to their cell. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that is >>> secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate your data, >>> theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. If theyre going to >>> get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. >>> >>> >>> >>> Providing a phone is just giving them one other thing to break. And its >>> just one more thing to have to recover when you shitcan them. and its just >>> one more thing to keep charged, an you know for a fact their wife or kid >>> took the charger because tiktok drained their battery. >>> >>> >>> >>> If they dont want to be tracked, fuckem and fire them if they >>> wont accept the fact that they dont matter enough to track in their >>> personal time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Matter of fact, just hit them with a pipe, save a whole lot of headache >>> and cell expense. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>> >>> Is running out of minutes still a thing? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2024 8:11 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>> >>> >>> >>> We supplement $10/mo. to each employee who uses their phone for company >>> work (field techs, etc). As a result, if they ever run out of minutes, it >>> bites them at review time. We've had very little issue. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:33 AM Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> It's not their entire device, but there are requirements like the >>> password/pin/face unlock/etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> Think of it this way: start with a personal phone and then slap on a >>> "work expansion card". When appropriate you rip out that expansion card, >>> leaving them with their personal stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> Your employees allow and you'd want control over their personal devices? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> ------------------------------ >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 29, 2024 10:00:40 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Google Workspace at minimum requires a code to access the device (pin, >>> fingerprint, etc.) Yon can require 2fa. Once the device is auth'ed the >>> admin has control over the workspace account (in our case anything at >>> imaginenetworksllc.com) <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F6328679%3Fhl%3Den&assistant_event=welcome&assistant_id=mdmbot&product_context=6328679&product_name=UnuFlow&trigger_context=a >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 9:14 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Part of data security also is about device compliance. Is there a pin? >>> Is it rooted? Are there vulnerable applications installed? etc. >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> ------------------------------ >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:50:03 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Using Google stuff here, any of the "work profile" or "G Suite account" >>> data gets wiped if it ever reaches connectivity. Doesn't prevent any local >>> cache from getting read, but you have to draw the line somewhere. >>> >>> Not like a company provided phone would prevent theft. >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> How do you handle data security with personal phones? >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> ------------------------------ >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2024 2:14:55 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> My 2 Cents: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Don’t waste your time or money. The excuses still come. You have some >>> who are all for it, others who will carry two phones, and even those who >>> want no part of it and want ‘control’. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> I stopped doing it a couple years ago. 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