Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones

[Chuck]

They will have to work a bit harder to corrupt our punch card backups… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2024, at 9:47 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:  Sometimes we hear of a big company that gets hit with ransomware, and everyone criticizes them because their systems are down for days up to a week or more before they restore from backups.   And I’m no expert, but I think to myself maybe they have offline backups on physical media not connected to the Internet or networked with the compromised servers.  But they are meticulously rebuilding every other computer on their network from bare metal before restoring the backups.  Which may actually indicate they are smarter than the average bear.   So many times with telecom systems I’ve seen a customer get corrupted data in one bank of NVRAM, and they panic and do a backup after the incident, writing the corrupted data over the good data in the other bank.   Of course, if state actors target you, they can hack even airgapped computers.  Ask our friends in Israel, and I assume China also has that capability along with several other countries.   From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 10:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones   we had a client who got nearly bankrupted last year when lockbit 3.0 got them, even their backups and their backup server.   you can have convenience or you can have security,  and even if you have security, you don't. multimillion dollar companies with multimillion dollar security investments get hit. there is nothing powered on that is safe       On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 8:19 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: "There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that is secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate your data, theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. If theyre going to get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is."   I think the point there is that businesses need to start caring about this kind of stuff.   ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 9:38:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Ive carried 2 phones for 15 years. I hate it   My biggest issue is the company telephone number. I thought about going dual sim, but meh. Just pay their personal bill, or offer a stipend. If you need them calling out as the company, give them a redirect in your phone system and forward their extension to their cell.   There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that is secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate your data, theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. If theyre going to get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is.   Providing a phone is just giving them one other thing to break. And its just one more thing to have to recover when you shitcan them. and its just one more thing to keep charged, an you know for a fact their wife or kid took the charger because tiktok drained their battery.   If they dont want to be tracked, fuckem and fire them if they wont accept the fact that they dont matter enough to track in their personal time.   Matter of fact, just hit them with a pipe, save a whole lot of headache and cell expense.     On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: Is running out of minutes still a thing?   From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 8:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones   We supplement $10/mo. to each employee who uses their phone for company work (field techs, etc).  As a result, if they ever run out of minutes, it bites them at review time.  We've had very little issue.   Dave     On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:33 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: It's not their entire device, but there are requirements like the password/pin/face unlock/etc.   Think of it this way: start with a personal phone and then slap on a "work expansion card".  When appropriate you rip out that expansion card, leaving them with their personal stuff.   On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Your employees allow and you'd want control over their personal devices? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP   From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 10:00:40 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Google Workspace at minimum requires a code to access the device (pin, fingerprint, etc.)  Yon can require 2fa.  Once the device is auth'ed the admin has control over the workspace account (in our case anything at imaginenetworksllc.com)   https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F6328679%3Fhl%3Den&assistant_event=welcome&assistant_id=mdmbot&product_context=6328679&product_name=UnuFlow&trigger_context=a   On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 9:14 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Part of data security also is about device compliance. Is there a pin? Is it rooted? Are there vulnerable applications installed? etc. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP   From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Using Google stuff here, any of the "work profile" or "G Suite account" data gets wiped if it ever reaches connectivity.  Doesn't prevent any local cache from getting read, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Not like a company provided phone would prevent theft.   On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: How do you handle data security with personal phones? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP   From: "Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 2:14:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones My 2 Cents:   Don’t waste your time or money.  The excuses still come.  You have some who are all for it, others who will carry two phones, and even those who want no part of it and want ‘control’. I stopped doing it a couple years ago.  Saves the company a lot of money.     Tyson Burris  President & CEO    Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131    317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours)  317-738-0320 (office)  t...@franklinisp.net    www.surfici.net      Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs     Active Member To The Following:   WISPA NBBC   Confidentiality Notice:   This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney.   From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 12:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] company cell phones   I have about 25 employees.  Thinking of giving them all a company cell phone so they can’t fail to pay the bill or can’t claim they did not receive the email.    Opinions?  Experiences?  Warnings?     -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com   -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com   -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com   -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com   -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

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