I remember another promise of Wimax. NLOS
Patrick was always announcing super NLOS performance on one product or another.
NLOS with trees, yes. Blocked by a hill.... color me skeptical.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2024 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2
Tarana definitely does NLOS a lot better than any of its predecessors, but as
far as "making every install work" goes, I'm still more than a little
skeptical... perhaps that will change after I've had more experience with it,
but I have my doubts. There are way too many variables in different NLOS
situations for me to just go by what other people say. We've all heard those
stories way too many times over the years.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 8:44 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff,
I know someone who tested Tarana and he seems convinced that it’s the NLOS
holy grail that we always wanted. Like what every Wimax and LTE vendor
promised us and couldn’t deliver. We have a long history in the industry which
should make us all skeptical of NLOS claims so I’m curious if it’s really as
great as all that. Any comment, Jeff?
When we were doing 5ghz canopy, we bracketed our city with a dozen towers to
give ourselves lots of options and we still had to end up saying “no” to half
our installs. This is urban/suburban so we’re usually talking about one
rooftop or one row of trees in the way. At most 100ft of foliage to penetrate
before you’re in clear skies. 5ghz Canopy would work, but it tended to be
unreliable in those conditions and we just found it wasn’t worth the trouble
and the damage to our credibility if we installed it. Our Alvarion VL using
neighbors always talked up how well their thing worked NLOS, but their actual
outcomes and my own testing of the product told me that it only “works” NLOS
within certain definitions of “works”, i.e.: you’d have to willing to accept
high error rates and low MCS as “working”. Anything else built around a WiFi
chipset I’d lump in with Alvarion.
900mhz of course worked within the limits of its bandwidth and high
interference, and I’d say more or less the same about 2.4ghz.
Wimax was an incremental improvement because you could get some predictable
and reliable outcomes NLOS, but your NLOS customers are still lowering
efficiency of the system due to retransmits and lower MCS, and I never saw a
Wimax product that wasn’t a total PITA on the management side. I bitched
endlessly about the Motorola CAP320, but after seeing what some other vendors
had I think CAP320 might have been the cream of the crop as far as operability.
LTE was another incremental step up, but at best maybe half as good as it was
hyped up to be.
If Tarana makes every install a success then we should give them all of our
money and be happy to do it, but it absolutely better work.
-Adam
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2024 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2
I can get you any pricing you need.
My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz. It will be
able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference mitigation
of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels.
I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now.
Regards,
Jeff
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
On Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a ton,
sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could calculate how
many decades it would be until each customer would be profitable (outside of
subsidized builds).
On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a
large scale? The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those
subscriber units though...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of
all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping
is the G1?
Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping
anyway? I figure if these are being bought with BEAD money, frugality may be
out the window.
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