As far as I know, he doesn't have any radios to sell these days, but I wouldn't risk it anyway...
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:12 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > you said the name, if its said two more times he will pop up and crush > your larynx with a patch cable unless you guy a radio from him > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 11:14 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > >> I remember another promise of Wimax. NLOS >> >> Patrick was always announcing super NLOS performance on one product or >> another. >> NLOS with trees, yes. Blocked by a hill.... color me skeptical. >> >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Friday, October 4, 2024 9:23 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2 >> >> Tarana definitely does NLOS a lot better than any of its predecessors, >> but as far as "making every install work" goes, I'm still more than a >> little skeptical... perhaps that will change after I've had more experience >> with it, but I have my doubts. There are way too many variables in >> different NLOS situations for me to just go by what other people say. We've >> all heard those stories way too many times over the years. >> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 8:44 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> >>> >>> I know someone who tested Tarana and he seems convinced that it’s the >>> NLOS holy grail that we always wanted. Like what every Wimax and LTE >>> vendor promised us and couldn’t deliver. We have a long history in the >>> industry which should make us all skeptical of NLOS claims so I’m curious >>> if it’s really as great as all that. Any comment, Jeff? >>> >>> >>> >>> When we were doing 5ghz canopy, we bracketed our city with a dozen >>> towers to give ourselves lots of options and we still had to end up saying >>> “no” to half our installs. This is urban/suburban so we’re usually talking >>> about one rooftop or one row of trees in the way. At most 100ft of foliage >>> to penetrate before you’re in clear skies. 5ghz Canopy would work, but it >>> tended to be unreliable in those conditions and we just found it wasn’t >>> worth the trouble and the damage to our credibility if we installed it. >>> Our Alvarion VL using neighbors always talked up how well their thing >>> worked NLOS, but their actual outcomes and my own testing of the product >>> told me that it only “works” NLOS within certain definitions of “works”, >>> i.e.: you’d have to willing to accept high error rates and low MCS as >>> “working”. Anything else built around a WiFi chipset I’d lump in with >>> Alvarion. >>> >>> >>> >>> 900mhz of course worked within the limits of its bandwidth and high >>> interference, and I’d say more or less the same about 2.4ghz. >>> >>> >>> >>> Wimax was an incremental improvement because you could get some >>> predictable and reliable outcomes NLOS, but your NLOS customers are still >>> lowering efficiency of the system due to retransmits and lower MCS, and I >>> never saw a Wimax product that wasn’t a total PITA on the management side. >>> I bitched endlessly about the Motorola CAP320, but after seeing what some >>> other vendors had I think CAP320 might have been the cream of the crop as >>> far as operability. LTE was another incremental step up, but at best maybe >>> half as good as it was hyped up to be. >>> >>> >>> >>> If Tarana makes every install a success then we should give them all of >>> our money and be happy to do it, but it absolutely better work. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick - >>> Lists >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2024 8:40 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G2 >>> >>> >>> >>> I can get you any pricing you need. >>> >>> >>> >>> My understanding is that the G2 will be dual band, 3 and 6GHz. It will >>> be able to use 4x 40MHz channels and still provide all the interference >>> mitigation of the G1 with 2x 40MHz channels. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m sure there is more, but that is what I know now. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick >>> >>> CTIconnect >>> >>> 312-205-2519 Office >>> >>> 574-220-7826 Cell >>> >>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: >>> >>> I wish Tarana’s price was the actual price, instead of sometimes a >>> ton, sometimes a half a ton, sometimes don’t know. That way, I could >>> calculate how many decades it would be until each customer would be >>> profitable (outside of subsidized builds). >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The G1 is expensive enough, are people actually deploying these on a >>> large scale? The AP is pricey, but not necessarily a deal-breaker - those >>> subscriber units though... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>> >>> Osborne Effect refers to one of the most infamous marketing fails of all >>> time. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect >>> >>> >>> >>> Has Tarana done this by announcing the G2 while all they have shipping >>> is the G1? >>> >>> >>> >>> Or is the G2 so much more expensive that it’s just for window shopping >>> anyway? 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