The ISPs running fiber in small towns around here, overbuilding Mediacom, are
not offering TV. One of them has a page on their website listing all the
streaming services.DirecTV Stream looks like an option, or people can still opt
for sat TV (but it's expensive).Expecting ISPs at this point to offer "linear
TV" seems like expecting phone companies to have payphones.Maybe find a way to
include a free year of Hulu or something.---- Original Message ----From: "Steve
Jones" Sent: 9/24/2024 7:34:28 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TVindependent programming.It looks like the most likely
fiber provider offers something called?YourTV Green thats got a roku appOn Tue,
Sep 24, 2024 at 1:53?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:I?m not a cable guy, but
I?d guess the ?IP over Coax? is multicast video on DOCSIS, and I?d also assume
it?s encrypted so as to prevent anyone from doing what you?re describing.? They
might have a cheap commercial package for waiting rooms and the like, so it
might be a case where you just have to get the right person on the phone who
knows what the options are.? ?There are HDMI to Coax converters.? Maybe this
doesn?t help, but it seems to me you could have one set top box and split that
to a bunch of TV?s as long as it was ok to have them all on the same
channel.?-Adam??From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve
JonesSent: Tuesday, September 24, 2024 1:50 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?Our mediacom in the region
just transitioned off the coax to some ip over coax system, didnt?have
enough?of the boxes in the houses so a bunch of people scrambled.?I have a YMCA
with the issue, they are moving over to another fiber provider. Is there a
service out there that provides an IP to coax for end business user? not
looking to resell, just a one off so they dont?have to replace wiring and tvs
on this iteration. 12 public access TVs so that licensing?On Fri, Sep 20, 2024
at 2:28?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:Hahah not bad?From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken HohhofSent: Friday, September 20,
2024 2:26 PMTo: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?It says ?Fire Stick? right on the device, did they not expect
a fire??From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of
dmmoffett@gmail.comSent: Friday, September 20, 2024 1:15 PMTo: 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?Might need a
consumer protection warning on the box?.?From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On
Behalf Of Steve JonesSent: Friday, September 20, 2024 1:36 PMTo: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?I hope
Isreal?starts manufacturing firestick like "free TV" devices, I have a few
customers I would love to have them?On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:50?AM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:I have talked to vendors about building a TV
head-end, but I?ve never done it.? I?m certain that everything you?re saying
here is true, and that is why I think it has to be something turnkey.? I want
the back end of it to be someone else?s problem. ?There?s a strong trend
towards over-the-top streaming services, but there?s still a market segment
that wants to just turn on the TV and flip through channels.? For my kids?
entire life we didn?t have cable, so they found it novel and interesting
whenever we went somewhere with cable service.? I guess I?m saying the market
for it hasn?t gone away and it might even come back some day.?More importantly,
it?s a vehicle to help sell the Internet service which we actually make money
on.? When I was in the WISP-o-sphere we kept reselling satellite TV in spite of
how much we hated it because some people would never switch off cable if we
didn?t have a TV option for them.?-Adam???From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On
Behalf Of Chris FabienSent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 7:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?The obtaining
channel feeds can be almost completely?done over the Internet now. It's still a
lot of pieces involved to build out?a headend but we are down to less than 10
channels coming in over satellite. For a large MDU situation or where you can
serve several MDU/Campus, I could see it being worthwhile to run a conventional
headend and be able to just plug CATV into the TV directly without needing any
STB/Roku/Etc. For normal residential I agree with probably not worth the hassle
anymore these days, however we are still running it profitably and increasing
our # of video subs as we grow the FTTH footprint.???On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at
9:59?PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:A few of the reasons I don?t like IPTV: (after
built several headends in my lifetime)Too many earth station antennas.Too many
LNA, B, CsToo many receiversToo many encoders.transcoders. stream processors
etcToo many transmission ? retransmission agreementsToo much money paid for
contentToo little ROIToo much support???From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, September
17, 2024 11:52 AMTo: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?TANSTAAFLOn
9/17/24 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:?and need not mention that "free" is almost
never totally free. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 9/17/2024 8:46 AM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:I?m surprised how openly they sell these:https://vseebox.com/?Plus
there are the Android boxes that come with pre-installed backdoors and
malware.?But hey ? free TV!?From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf
Of chuck@go-mtc.comSent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:17 AMTo: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?I wonder
if the streamers embed a watermark to allow traceability.? ?From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:07 AMTo: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?TV (broadcast and streaming) is getting expensive
enough that pirate TV boxes are making a comeback.?From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Nate BurkeSent: Tuesday, September 17,
2024 9:45 AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>;
dmmoffett@gmail.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?I'm not sure of the brand, this
was many years ago, and I don't think I could find a logo? I was in a largish
hotel that had a STB that had a single Cat5 running into it.? HDMI to the TV,
Analog phone port to the room phone, and WIFI AP.? You turned on the TV and it
worked.? Maybe The Hospitality arena already has something that you're looking
for that could be adapted to MDU?? ?On 9/17/2024 8:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com
wrote:Well, the main reason is for MDU?s.? If the owners are going to build a
TV service into their leases then their option is either a deal for both TV and
Internet from cable, or to work with two different companies.? They?re probably
not going to work with two companies.? Our solution right now is mybundle.tv,
which is not providing anything that the customer couldn?t get on their own,
and there?s not much in it for us.?I really want it to be a turnkey thing
because we?ll have less sunk cost if we want to drop it someday.? And I?ll say
we have Realchoice for one building now, and our cost on the TV package is
something like $11/month per unit.? Obviously that?s profitable for us while
also being attractive for the landlords.? ?My ONLY complaint with Realchoice TV
is they don?t have a set top box.? There are situations where I think that
would be desirable.? For example, one of our customers is a fully furnished
student housing facility where the TV is already there when the kids move in.?
If we?re a box on HDMI1 then they could just turn on the TV and it would work
immediately.? Otherwise we have to provide instructions for them to open the
app, which a lot of them will never read, and with new tenants coming in every
year I?d rather it was just *there* when they turn on the TV.? The same logic
would apply for hospitality and commercial scenarios.?? If the hotel TV
required you to turn on a Roku and open an app then I?ll bet half the guests
are going to call the front desk not knowing what to do because they didn?t
read the instructions posted next to the TV.? If the doctor?s office TV
requires you to open an app after turning it on, then I?ll bet we?ll walk in
and see the Roku home screen most of the time because the staff won?t know or
won?t care about doing that every time.? Basically, while I love that they have
apps for Roku, Android, iOS, etc, I want a set top box to be available as an
option because I believe a lot of people are terminally lazy or stupid.?If
there?s a way to have an Android set top box that automatically opens a
particular app on bootup then that might solve my one Realchoice quibble.? It
would have to be something we could buy already set up like that.?I already
know Dish/Direct are going to have a system where I do all the work and they
get all the money.? That?s how they did satellite and I doubt their streaming
would have any different philosophy. I have one opinion that Rodeo wasn?t
good.? Any concurrence or disagreement on that? I?ll never get buy in from
upper management to invest six figures in a head-end, and I don?t really want
that to be my problem. ?There must be other players for reselling an IP TV
option.? Do we know of any??If Layne is still on this list I do apologize
buddy.? Your company has always responded when we needed something and I?d
advocate your product to anyone. In fact, I currently *am* advocating your
product to our upper management.? I only have the one issue, and I know I?ll be
asked about it, and I want to have an answer prepared ahead of time when it
comes up.?-Adam??From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck
McCownSent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 6:51 AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group mailto:af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV?I have been through this
several times.? Huge pita, not worth the effort.? Sent from my iPhone?On Sep
16, 2024, at 11:28?PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:?It's
probably best to avoid TV at this point. Very low margin, lots of issues,
increasing wholesale rates, churn, etc.?Lots of companies are dropping TV and
pushing people to streaming instead.?On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:13?PM Ken Hohhof
<khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Out of curiosity, why do you want to do TV??From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam MoffettSent: Monday, September 16,
2024 6:48 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] IP TV?Good to know ?Get Outlook for iOSFrom: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>Sent:
Monday, September 16, 2024 7:30:35 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV ?We had an extremely bad experience
with Rodeo TV, FYI. We ended up building a proper cable TV headend. It was
definitely not a turnkey project. ?On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 3:24?PM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:The last time I dug into doing TV I found anything
from companies that would help you set up a head-end to the turnkey players
like Realchoice.? I think I?d rather be on the turnkey end of it.?The most ?I
know Realchoice TV is a good product.? They?ve always been responsive whenever
I needed anything, and the TV works fine.? What else is out there these days??
Realchoice TV Rodeo Networks?? Are they still a thing? Direct TV has something
you can resell as well, but frankly I?ve been a retailer for Dish Network and
DirecTV for satellite TV, and both were like having an abusive spouse.? ?What
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