Their webpage leads me to believe free OTA for life. Pretty sure that isn’t
true.
From: David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 4:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
We're wrapping our branding around FreeCast. Set top box, OTA channels and it
incorporates their streaming services through the set top. We install and
provide coaching and support for the monthly fee. We just started this a month
ago and it is starting to take off.
www.freecast.com
www.newerabroadband.com/tv
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 9:06 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
The ISPs running fiber in small towns around here, overbuilding Mediacom, are
not offering TV. One of them has a page on their website listing all the
streaming services.
DirecTV Stream looks like an option, or people can still opt for sat TV (but
it's expensive).
Expecting ISPs at this point to offer "linear TV" seems like expecting phone
companies to have payphones.
Maybe find a way to include a free year of Hulu or something.
---- Original Message ----
From: "Steve Jones"
Sent: 9/24/2024 7:34:28 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
independent programming.
It looks like the most likely fiber provider offers something called YourTV
Green thats got a roku app
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:53?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not a cable guy, but I’d guess the “IP over Coax” is multicast video on
DOCSIS, and I’d also assume it’s encrypted so as to prevent anyone from doing
what you’re describing.
They might have a cheap commercial package for waiting rooms and the like,
so it might be a case where you just have to get the right person on the phone
who knows what the options are.
There are HDMI to Coax converters. Maybe this doesn’t help, but it seems
to me you could have one set top box and split that to a bunch of TV’s as long
as it was ok to have them all on the same channel.
-Adam
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2024 1:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Our mediacom in the region just transitioned off the coax to some ip over
coax system, didnt have enough of the boxes in the houses so a bunch of people
scrambled.
I have a YMCA with the issue, they are moving over to another fiber
provider. Is there a service out there that provides an IP to coax for end
business user? not looking to resell, just a one off so they dont have to
replace wiring and tvs on this iteration. 12 public access TVs so that licensing
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 2:28?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hahah not bad
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2024 2:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
It says “Fire Stick” right on the device, did they not expect a fire?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2024 1:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Might need a consumer protection warning on the box….
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2024 1:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I hope Isreal starts manufacturing firestick like "free TV" devices, I
have a few customers I would love to have them
On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:50?AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have talked to vendors about building a TV head-end, but I’ve never
done it. I’m certain that everything you’re saying here is true, and that is
why I think it has to be something turnkey. I want the back end of it to be
someone else’s problem.
There’s a strong trend towards over-the-top streaming services, but
there’s still a market segment that wants to just turn on the TV and flip
through channels. For my kids’ entire life we didn’t have cable, so they found
it novel and interesting whenever we went somewhere with cable service. I
guess I’m saying the market for it hasn’t gone away and it might even come back
some day.
More importantly, it’s a vehicle to help sell the Internet service
which we actually make money on. When I was in the WISP-o-sphere we kept
reselling satellite TV in spite of how much we hated it because some people
would never switch off cable if we didn’t have a TV option for them.
-Adam
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 7:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
The obtaining channel feeds can be almost completely done over the
Internet now. It's still a lot of pieces involved to build out a headend but we
are down to less than 10 channels coming in over satellite. For a large MDU
situation or where you can serve several MDU/Campus, I could see it being
worthwhile to run a conventional headend and be able to just plug CATV into the
TV directly without needing any STB/Roku/Etc. For normal residential I agree
with probably not worth the hassle anymore these days, however we are still
running it profitably and increasing our # of video subs as we grow the FTTH
footprint.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 9:59?PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
A few of the reasons I don’t like IPTV: (after built several headends
in my lifetime)
Too many earth station antennas.
Too many LNA, B, Cs
Too many receivers
Too many encoders.transcoders. stream processors etc
Too many transmission – retransmission agreements
Too much money paid for content
Too little ROI
Too much support
From: Robert
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
TANSTAAFL
On 9/17/24 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
and need not mention that "free" is almost never totally free.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 9/17/2024 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’m surprised how openly they sell these:
https://vseebox.com/
Plus there are the Android boxes that come with pre-installed
backdoors and malware.
But hey … free TV!
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of
ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I wonder if the streamers embed a watermark to allow
traceability.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
TV (broadcast and streaming) is getting expensive enough that
pirate TV boxes are making a comeback.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>;
dmmoff...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I'm not sure of the brand, this was many years ago, and I don't
think I could find a logo I was in a largish hotel that had a STB that had a
single Cat5 running into it. HDMI to the TV, Analog phone port to the room
phone, and WIFI AP. You turned on the TV and it worked. Maybe The Hospitality
arena already has something that you're looking for that could be adapted to
MDU?
On 9/17/2024 8:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the main reason is for MDU’s. If the owners are going to
build a TV service into their leases then their option is either a deal for
both TV and Internet from cable, or to work with two different companies.
They’re probably not going to work with two companies. Our solution right now
is mybundle.tv, which is not providing anything that the customer couldn’t get
on their own, and there’s not much in it for us.
I really want it to be a turnkey thing because we’ll have less
sunk cost if we want to drop it someday. And I’ll say we have Realchoice for
one building now, and our cost on the TV package is something like $11/month
per unit. Obviously that’s profitable for us while also being attractive for
the landlords.
My ONLY complaint with Realchoice TV is they don’t have a set
top box. There are situations where I think that would be desirable. For
example, one of our customers is a fully furnished student housing facility
where the TV is already there when the kids move in. If we’re a box on HDMI1
then they could just turn on the TV and it would work immediately. Otherwise
we have to provide instructions for them to open the app, which a lot of them
will never read, and with new tenants coming in every year I’d rather it was
just *there* when they turn on the TV. The same logic would apply for
hospitality and commercial scenarios. If the hotel TV required you to turn on
a Roku and open an app then I’ll bet half the guests are going to call the
front desk not knowing what to do because they didn’t read the instructions
posted next to the TV. If the doctor’s office TV requires you to open an app
after turning it on, then I’ll bet we’ll walk in and see the Roku home screen
most of the time because the staff won’t know or won’t care about doing that
every time. Basically, while I love that they have apps for Roku, Android,
iOS, etc, I want a set top box to be available as an option because I believe a
lot of people are terminally lazy or stupid.
If there’s a way to have an Android set top box that
automatically opens a particular app on bootup then that might solve my one
Realchoice quibble. It would have to be something we could buy already set up
like that.
1.. I already know Dish/Direct are going to have a system
where I do all the work and they get all the money. That’s how they did
satellite and I doubt their streaming would have any different philosophy.
2.. I have one opinion that Rodeo wasn’t good. Any
concurrence or disagreement on that?
3.. I’ll never get buy in from upper management to invest six
figures in a head-end, and I don’t really want that to be my problem.
There must be other players for reselling an IP TV option. Do
we know of any?
If Layne is still on this list I do apologize buddy. Your
company has always responded when we needed something and I’d advocate your
product to anyone. In fact, I currently *am* advocating your product to our
upper management. I only have the one issue, and I know I’ll be asked about
it, and I want to have an answer prepared ahead of time when it comes up.
-Adam
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 6:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I have been through this several times. Huge pita, not worth
the effort.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2024, at 11:28?PM, Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
?
It's probably best to avoid TV at this point. Very low margin,
lots of issues, increasing wholesale rates, churn, etc.
Lots of companies are dropping TV and pushing people to
streaming instead.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:13?PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com>
wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you want to do TV?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 6:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Good to know
Get Outlook for iOS
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chris Fabien
<ch...@lakenetmi.com>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 7:30:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
We had an extremely bad experience with Rodeo TV, FYI. We
ended up building a proper cable TV headend. It was definitely not a turnkey
project.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 3:24?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
The last time I dug into doing TV I found anything from
companies that would help you set up a head-end to the turnkey players like
Realchoice. I think I’d rather be on the turnkey end of it.
The most
I know Realchoice TV is a good product. They’ve always
been responsive whenever I needed anything, and the TV works fine. What else
is out there these days?
1.. Realchoice TV
2.. Rodeo Networks? Are they still a thing?
3.. Direct TV has something you can resell as well, but
frankly I’ve been a retailer for Dish Network and DirecTV for satellite TV, and
both were like having an abusive spouse.
What else is there?
-Adam
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