I hope Isreal starts manufacturing firestick like "free TV" devices, I have
a few customers I would love to have them
On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:50 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have talked to vendors about building a TV head-end, but I’ve never done
> it. I’m certain that everything you’re saying here is true, and that is
> why I think it has to be something turnkey. I want the back end of it to
> be someone else’s problem.
>
>
>
> There’s a strong trend towards over-the-top streaming services, but
> there’s still a market segment that wants to just turn on the TV and flip
> through channels. For my kids’ entire life we didn’t have cable, so they
> found it novel and interesting whenever we went somewhere with cable
> service. I guess I’m saying the market for it hasn’t gone away and it
> might even come back some day.
>
>
>
> More importantly, it’s a vehicle to help sell the Internet service which
> we actually make money on. When I was in the WISP-o-sphere we kept
> reselling satellite TV in spite of how much we hated it because some people
> would never switch off cable if we didn’t have a TV option for them.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2024 7:49 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> The obtaining channel feeds can be almost completely done over the
> Internet now. It's still a lot of pieces involved to build out a headend
> but we are down to less than 10 channels coming in over satellite. For a
> large MDU situation or where you can serve several MDU/Campus, I could see
> it being worthwhile to run a conventional headend and be able to just plug
> CATV into the TV directly without needing any STB/Roku/Etc. For normal
> residential I agree with probably not worth the hassle anymore these days,
> however we are still running it profitably and increasing our # of video
> subs as we grow the FTTH footprint.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 9:59 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
> A few of the reasons I don’t like IPTV: (after built several headends in
> my lifetime)
>
> Too many earth station antennas.
>
> Too many LNA, B, Cs
>
> Too many receivers
>
> Too many encoders.transcoders. stream processors etc
>
> Too many transmission – retransmission agreements
>
> Too much money paid for content
>
> Too little ROI
>
> Too much support
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> TANSTAAFL
>
> On 9/17/24 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
>
> and need not mention that "free" is almost never totally free.
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 9/17/2024 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’m surprised how openly they sell these:
>
> https://vseebox.com/
>
>
>
> Plus there are the Android boxes that come with pre-installed backdoors
> and malware.
>
>
>
> But hey … free TV!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:17 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> I wonder if the streamers embed a watermark to allow traceability.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:07 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> TV (broadcast and streaming) is getting expensive enough that pirate TV
> boxes are making a comeback.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>;
> dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> I'm not sure of the brand, this was many years ago, and I don't think I
> could find a logo I was in a largish hotel that had a STB that had a
> single Cat5 running into it. HDMI to the TV, Analog phone port to the room
> phone, and WIFI AP. You turned on the TV and it worked. Maybe The
> Hospitality arena already has something that you're looking for that could
> be adapted to MDU?
>
>
>
> On 9/17/2024 8:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Well, the main reason is for MDU’s. If the owners are going to build a TV
> service into their leases then their option is either a deal for both TV
> and Internet from cable, or to work with two different companies. They’re
> probably not going to work with two companies. Our solution right now is
> mybundle.tv, which is not providing anything that the customer couldn’t
> get on their own, and there’s not much in it for us.
>
>
>
> I really want it to be a turnkey thing because we’ll have less sunk cost
> if we want to drop it someday. And I’ll say we have Realchoice for one
> building now, and our cost on the TV package is something like $11/month
> per unit. Obviously that’s profitable for us while also being attractive
> for the landlords.
>
>
>
> My ONLY complaint with Realchoice TV is they don’t have a set top box.
> There are situations where I think that would be desirable. For example,
> one of our customers is a fully furnished student housing facility where
> the TV is already there when the kids move in. If we’re a box on HDMI1
> then they could just turn on the TV and it would work immediately.
> Otherwise we have to provide instructions for them to open the app, which a
> lot of them will never read, and with new tenants coming in every year I’d
> rather it was just **there** when they turn on the TV. The same logic
> would apply for hospitality and commercial scenarios. If the hotel TV
> required you to turn on a Roku and open an app then I’ll bet half the
> guests are going to call the front desk not knowing what to do because they
> didn’t read the instructions posted next to the TV. If the doctor’s office
> TV requires you to open an app after turning it on, then I’ll bet we’ll
> walk in and see the Roku home screen most of the time because the staff
> won’t know or won’t care about doing that every time. Basically, while I
> love that they have apps for Roku, Android, iOS, etc, I want a set top box
> to be available as an option because I believe a lot of people are
> terminally lazy or stupid.
>
>
>
> If there’s a way to have an Android set top box that automatically opens a
> particular app on bootup then that might solve my one Realchoice quibble.
> It would have to be something we could buy already set up like that.
>
>
>
> 1. I already know Dish/Direct are going to have a system where I do
> all the work and they get all the money. That’s how they did satellite and
> I doubt their streaming would have any different philosophy.
> 2. I have one opinion that Rodeo wasn’t good. Any concurrence or
> disagreement on that?
> 3. I’ll never get buy in from upper management to invest six figures
> in a head-end, and I don’t really want that to be my problem.
>
>
>
> There must be other players for reselling an IP TV option. Do we know of
> any?
>
>
>
> If Layne is still on this list I do apologize buddy. Your company has
> always responded when we needed something and I’d advocate your product to
> anyone. In fact, I currently **am** advocating your product to our upper
> management. I only have the *one* issue, and I know I’ll be asked about
> it, and I want to have an answer prepared ahead of time when it comes up.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 6:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> I have been through this several times. Huge pita, not worth the effort.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2024, at 11:28 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> It's probably best to avoid TV at this point. Very low margin, lots of
> issues, increasing wholesale rates, churn, etc.
>
>
>
> Lots of companies are dropping TV and pushing people to streaming instead.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:13 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, why do you want to do TV?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 6:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> Good to know
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chris Fabien <
> ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 7:30:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>
>
>
> We had an extremely bad experience with Rodeo TV, FYI. We ended up
> building a proper cable TV headend. It was definitely not a turnkey
> project.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 3:24 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The last time I dug into doing TV I found anything from companies that
> would help you set up a head-end to the turnkey players like Realchoice. I
> think I’d rather be on the turnkey end of it.
>
>
>
> The most
>
>
>
> I know Realchoice TV is a good product. They’ve always been responsive
> whenever I needed anything, and the TV works fine. What else is out there
> these days?
>
> 1. Realchoice TV
> 2. Rodeo Networks? Are they still a thing?
> 3. Direct TV has something you can resell as well, but frankly I’ve
> been a retailer for Dish Network and DirecTV for satellite TV, and both
> were like having an abusive spouse.
>
>
>
> What else is there?
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
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