The ISPs running fiber in small towns around here, overbuilding
Mediacom, are not offering TV. One of them has a page on their website
listing all the streaming services.
DirecTV Stream looks like an option, or people can still opt for sat
TV (but it's expensive).
Expecting ISPs at this point to offer "linear TV" seems like expecting
phone companies to have payphones.
Maybe find a way to include a free year of Hulu or something.
---- Original Message ----
From: "Steve Jones"
Sent: 9/24/2024 7:34:28 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
independent programming.
It looks like the most likely fiber provider offers something
called YourTV Green thats got a roku app
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:53?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not a cable guy, but I’d guess the “IP over Coax” is multicast
video on DOCSIS, and I’d also assume it’s encrypted so as to
prevent anyone from doing what you’re describing.
They might have a cheap commercial package for waiting rooms and
the like, so it might be a case where you just have to get the
right person on the phone who knows what the options are.
There are HDMI to Coax converters. Maybe this doesn’t help, but
it seems to me you could have one set top box and split that to a
bunch of TV’s as long as it was ok to have them all on the same
channel.
-Adam
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2024 1:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Our mediacom in the region just transitioned off the coax to some
ip over coax system, didnt have enough of the boxes in the houses
so a bunch of people scrambled.
I have a YMCA with the issue, they are moving over to another
fiber provider. Is there a service out there that provides an IP
to coax for end business user? not looking to resell, just a one
off so they dont have to replace wiring and tvs on this iteration.
12 public access TVs so that licensing
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 2:28?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hahah not bad
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2024 2:26 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
It says “Fire Stick” right on the device, did they not expect
a fire?
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2024 1:15 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Might need a consumer protection warning on the box….
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2024 1:36 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I hope Isreal starts manufacturing firestick like "free TV"
devices, I have a few customers I would love to have them
On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:50?AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have talked to vendors about building a TV head-end, but
I’ve never done it. I’m certain that everything you’re
saying here is true, and that is why I think it has to be
something turnkey. I want the back end of it to be
someone else’s problem.
There’s a strong trend towards over-the-top streaming
services, but there’s still a market segment that wants to
just turn on the TV and flip through channels. For my
kids’ entire life we didn’t have cable, so they found it
novel and interesting whenever we went somewhere with
cable service. I guess I’m saying the market for it
hasn’t gone away and it might even come back some day.
More importantly, it’s a vehicle to help sell the Internet
service which we actually make money on. When I was in
the WISP-o-sphere we kept reselling satellite TV in spite
of how much we hated it because some people would never
switch off cable if we didn’t have a TV option for them.
-Adam
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2024 7:49 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
The obtaining channel feeds can be almost completely done
over the Internet now. It's still a lot of pieces involved
to build out a headend but we are down to less than 10
channels coming in over satellite. For a large MDU
situation or where you can serve several MDU/Campus, I
could see it being worthwhile to run a conventional
headend and be able to just plug CATV into the TV directly
without needing any STB/Roku/Etc. For normal residential I
agree with probably not worth the hassle anymore these
days, however we are still running it profitably and
increasing our # of video subs as we grow the FTTH footprint.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 9:59?PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
A few of the reasons I don’t like IPTV: (after built
several headends in my lifetime)
Too many earth station antennas.
Too many LNA, B, Cs
Too many receivers
Too many encoders.transcoders. stream processors etc
Too many transmission – retransmission agreements
Too much money paid for content
Too little ROI
Too much support
*From:*Robert
*Sent:*Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:52 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
TANSTAAFL
On 9/17/24 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
and need not mention that "free" is almost never
totally free.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/17/2024 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’m surprised how openly they sell these:
https://vseebox.com/ <https://vseebox.com/>
Plus there are the Android boxes that come
with pre-installed backdoors and malware.
But hey … free TV!
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>*On Behalf Of
*ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:17 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I wonder if the streamers embed a watermark to
allow traceability.
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:07 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
TV (broadcast and streaming) is getting
expensive enough that pirate TV boxes are
making a comeback.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:45 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>;
dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I'm not sure of the brand, this was many years
ago, and I don't think I could find a logo I
was in a largish hotel that had a STB that had
a single Cat5 running into it. HDMI to the
TV, Analog phone port to the room phone, and
WIFI AP. You turned on the TV and it worked.
Maybe The Hospitality arena already has
something that you're looking for that could
be adapted to MDU?
On 9/17/2024 8:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>wrote:
Well, the main reason is for MDU’s. If
the owners are going to build a TV service
into their leases then their option is
either a deal for both TV and Internet
from cable, or to work with two different
companies. They’re probably not going to
work with two companies. Our solution
right now is mybundle.tv
<http://mybundle.tv>, which is not
providing anything that the customer
couldn’t get on their own, and there’s not
much in it for us.
I really want it to be a turnkey thing
because we’ll have less sunk cost if we
want to drop it someday. And I’ll say we
have Realchoice for one building now, and
our cost on the TV package is something
like $11/month per unit. Obviously that’s
profitable for us while also being
attractive for the landlords.
My ONLY complaint with Realchoice TV is
they don’t have a set top box. There are
situations where I think that would be
desirable. For example, one of our
customers is a fully furnished student
housing facility where the TV is already
there when the kids move in. If we’re a
box on HDMI1 then they could just turn on
the TV and it would work immediately.
Otherwise we have to provide instructions
for them to open the app, which a lot of
them will never read, and with new tenants
coming in every year I’d rather it was
just **there** when they turn on the TV.
The same logic would apply for hospitality
and commercial scenarios. If the hotel TV
required you to turn on a Roku and open an
app then I’ll bet half the guests are
going to call the front desk not knowing
what to do because they didn’t read the
instructions posted next to the TV. If
the doctor’s office TV requires you to
open an app after turning it on, then I’ll
bet we’ll walk in and see the Roku home
screen most of the time because the staff
won’t know or won’t care about doing that
every time. Basically, while I love that
they have apps for Roku, Android, iOS,
etc, I want a set top box to be available
as an option because I believe a lot of
people are terminally lazy or stupid.
If there’s a way to have an Android set
top box that automatically opens a
particular app on bootup then that might
solve my one Realchoice quibble. It would
have to be something we could buy already
set up like that.
1. I already know Dish/Direct are going
to have a system where I do all the
work and they get all the money.
That’s how they did satellite and I
doubt their streaming would have any
different philosophy.
2. I have one opinion that Rodeo wasn’t
good. Any concurrence or disagreement
on that?
3. I’ll never get buy in from upper
management to invest six figures in a
head-end, and I don’t really want that
to be my problem.
There must be other players for reselling
an IP TV option. Do we know of any?
If Layne is still on this list I do
apologize buddy. Your company has always
responded when we needed something and I’d
advocate your product to anyone. In fact,
I currently **am** advocating your product
to our upper management. I only have the
/one/ issue, and I know I’ll be asked
about it, and I want to have an answer
prepared ahead of time when it comes up.
-Adam
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>*On Behalf
Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 6:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I have been through this several times.
Huge pita, not worth the effort.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2024, at 11:28?PM, Darin
Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
?
It's probably best to avoid TV at this
point. Very low margin, lots of issues,
increasing wholesale rates, churn, etc.
Lots of companies are dropping TV and
pushing people to streaming instead.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:13?PM Ken Hohhof
<khoh...@kwom.com
<mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you want to
do TV?
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 6:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Good to know
Get Outlook for iOS
<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on
behalf of Chris Fabien
<ch...@lakenetmi.com
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024
7:30:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
We had an extremely bad experience
with Rodeo TV, FYI. We ended up
building a proper cable TV headend. It
was definitely not a turnkey project.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 3:24?PM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The last time I dug into doing TV
I found anything from companies
that would help you set up a
head-end to the turnkey players
like Realchoice. I think I’d
rather be on the turnkey end of it.
The most
I know Realchoice TV is a good
product. They’ve always been
responsive whenever I needed
anything, and the TV works fine.
What else is out there these days?
1. Realchoice TV
2. Rodeo Networks? Are they
still a thing?
3. Direct TV has something you
can resell as well, but
frankly I’ve been a retailer
for Dish Network and DirecTV
for satellite TV, and both
were like having an abusive
spouse.
What else is there?
-Adam
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