You can wrap it like we do. What happens is you have a portal (dedicated
web page) where you onboard them. If they purchase any streaming (which
can be accessed via the box display) you get part of the affiliate
commissions. Also, they insert commercials from which they are part of a
syndate of, and when those run on your customers streams, you get part of
the commissions. We install the external antenna and provide support. For
example, we helped a customer today get NEB-TV and include the
Hulu/Espn+/Disney+ stream. They have everything they want for a total of
$54.99/mo (if that's not right, it's real close). We're charging
$39.99/mo for installation of the external antenna, and supporting them for
whatever questions or issues they might have. We'll set everything
(including the streaming up for them). We just launched it this month and
have just a few customers. We may end up playing with the monthly cost to
us, but we buy the box and install the antenna and support them. That's
the value - plus it helps make the customer more sticky.
Dave
On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 10:25 AM Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:
> DO they allow you to brand it? To me this just looks like an aggregation
> of a bunch of Free iptv streams like what you get with Samsung TV Plus.
> Then they add an HDHomerun in on top of it. More than likely its a stripped
> down version of Kodi they have branded.
> On 9/25/24 5:04 AM, David Hannum wrote:
>
> We're wrapping our branding around FreeCast. Set top box, OTA channels
> and it incorporates their streaming services through the set top. We
> install and provide coaching and support for the monthly fee. We just
> started this a month ago and it is starting to take off.
>
> www.freecast.com
> www.newerabroadband.com/tv
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 9:06 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
>> The ISPs running fiber in small towns around here, overbuilding Mediacom,
>> are not offering TV. One of them has a page on their website listing all
>> the streaming services.
>>
>> DirecTV Stream looks like an option, or people can still opt for sat TV
>> (but it's expensive).
>>
>> Expecting ISPs at this point to offer "linear TV" seems like expecting
>> phone companies to have payphones.
>>
>> Maybe find a way to include a free year of Hulu or something.
>>
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: "Steve Jones"
>> Sent: 9/24/2024 7:34:28 PM
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>
>> independent programming.
>> It looks like the most likely fiber provider offers something
>> called YourTV Green thats got a roku app
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:53?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not a cable guy, but I’d guess the “IP over Coax” is multicast video
>>> on DOCSIS, and I’d also assume it’s encrypted so as to prevent anyone from
>>> doing what you’re describing.
>>>
>>> They might have a cheap commercial package for waiting rooms and the
>>> like, so it might be a case where you just have to get the right person on
>>> the phone who knows what the options are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are HDMI to Coax converters. Maybe this doesn’t help, but it
>>> seems to me you could have one set top box and split that to a bunch of
>>> TV’s as long as it was ok to have them all on the same channel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2024 1:50 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our mediacom in the region just transitioned off the coax to some ip
>>> over coax system, didnt have enough of the boxes in the houses so a bunch
>>> of people scrambled.
>>>
>>> I have a YMCA with the issue, they are moving over to another fiber
>>> provider. Is there a service out there that provides an IP to coax for end
>>> business user? not looking to resell, just a one off so they dont have to
>>> replace wiring and tvs on this iteration. 12 public access TVs so that
>>> licensing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 2:28?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hahah not bad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2024 2:26 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It says “Fire Stick” right on the device, did they not expect a fire?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2024 1:15 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Might need a consumer protection warning on the box….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2024 1:36 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope Isreal starts manufacturing firestick like "free TV" devices, I
>>> have a few customers I would love to have them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:50?AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have talked to vendors about building a TV head-end, but I’ve never
>>> done it. I’m certain that everything you’re saying here is true, and that
>>> is why I think it has to be something turnkey. I want the back end of it
>>> to be someone else’s problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s a strong trend towards over-the-top streaming services, but
>>> there’s still a market segment that wants to just turn on the TV and flip
>>> through channels. For my kids’ entire life we didn’t have cable, so they
>>> found it novel and interesting whenever we went somewhere with cable
>>> service. I guess I’m saying the market for it hasn’t gone away and it
>>> might even come back some day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More importantly, it’s a vehicle to help sell the Internet service which
>>> we actually make money on. When I was in the WISP-o-sphere we kept
>>> reselling satellite TV in spite of how much we hated it because some people
>>> would never switch off cable if we didn’t have a TV option for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2024 7:49 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The obtaining channel feeds can be almost completely done over the
>>> Internet now. It's still a lot of pieces involved to build out a headend
>>> but we are down to less than 10 channels coming in over satellite. For a
>>> large MDU situation or where you can serve several MDU/Campus, I could see
>>> it being worthwhile to run a conventional headend and be able to just plug
>>> CATV into the TV directly without needing any STB/Roku/Etc. For normal
>>> residential I agree with probably not worth the hassle anymore these days,
>>> however we are still running it profitably and increasing our # of video
>>> subs as we grow the FTTH footprint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 9:59?PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A few of the reasons I don’t like IPTV: (after built several headends in
>>> my lifetime)
>>>
>>> Too many earth station antennas.
>>>
>>> Too many LNA, B, Cs
>>>
>>> Too many receivers
>>>
>>> Too many encoders.transcoders. stream processors etc
>>>
>>> Too many transmission – retransmission agreements
>>>
>>> Too much money paid for content
>>>
>>> Too little ROI
>>>
>>> Too much support
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Robert
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:52 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TANSTAAFL
>>>
>>> On 9/17/24 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and need not mention that "free" is almost never totally free.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2024 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m surprised how openly they sell these:
>>>
>>> https://vseebox.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Plus there are the Android boxes that come with pre-installed backdoors
>>> and malware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But hey … free TV!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>>> Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:17 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if the streamers embed a watermark to allow traceability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:07 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TV (broadcast and streaming) is getting expensive enough that pirate TV
>>> boxes are making a comeback.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:45 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>;
>>> dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of the brand, this was many years ago, and I don't think I
>>> could find a logo I was in a largish hotel that had a STB that had a
>>> single Cat5 running into it. HDMI to the TV, Analog phone port to the room
>>> phone, and WIFI AP. You turned on the TV and it worked. Maybe The
>>> Hospitality arena already has something that you're looking for that could
>>> be adapted to MDU?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2024 8:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the main reason is for MDU’s. If the owners are going to build a
>>> TV service into their leases then their option is either a deal for both TV
>>> and Internet from cable, or to work with two different companies. They’re
>>> probably not going to work with two companies. Our solution right now is
>>> mybundle.tv, which is not providing anything that the customer couldn’t
>>> get on their own, and there’s not much in it for us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really want it to be a turnkey thing because we’ll have less sunk cost
>>> if we want to drop it someday. And I’ll say we have Realchoice for one
>>> building now, and our cost on the TV package is something like $11/month
>>> per unit. Obviously that’s profitable for us while also being attractive
>>> for the landlords.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My ONLY complaint with Realchoice TV is they don’t have a set top box.
>>> There are situations where I think that would be desirable. For example,
>>> one of our customers is a fully furnished student housing facility where
>>> the TV is already there when the kids move in. If we’re a box on HDMI1
>>> then they could just turn on the TV and it would work immediately.
>>> Otherwise we have to provide instructions for them to open the app, which a
>>> lot of them will never read, and with new tenants coming in every year I’d
>>> rather it was just **there** when they turn on the TV. The same logic
>>> would apply for hospitality and commercial scenarios. If the hotel TV
>>> required you to turn on a Roku and open an app then I’ll bet half the
>>> guests are going to call the front desk not knowing what to do because they
>>> didn’t read the instructions posted next to the TV. If the doctor’s office
>>> TV requires you to open an app after turning it on, then I’ll bet we’ll
>>> walk in and see the Roku home screen most of the time because the staff
>>> won’t know or won’t care about doing that every time. Basically, while I
>>> love that they have apps for Roku, Android, iOS, etc, I want a set top box
>>> to be available as an option because I believe a lot of people are
>>> terminally lazy or stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there’s a way to have an Android set top box that automatically opens
>>> a particular app on bootup then that might solve my one Realchoice
>>> quibble. It would have to be something we could buy already set up like
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I already know Dish/Direct are going to have a system where I do
>>> all the work and they get all the money. That’s how they did satellite
>>> and
>>> I doubt their streaming would have any different philosophy.
>>> 2. I have one opinion that Rodeo wasn’t good. Any concurrence or
>>> disagreement on that?
>>> 3. I’ll never get buy in from upper management to invest six figures
>>> in a head-end, and I don’t really want that to be my problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There must be other players for reselling an IP TV option. Do we know
>>> of any?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Layne is still on this list I do apologize buddy. Your company has
>>> always responded when we needed something and I’d advocate your product to
>>> anyone. In fact, I currently **am** advocating your product to our
>>> upper management. I only have the *one* issue, and I know I’ll be
>>> asked about it, and I want to have an answer prepared ahead of time when it
>>> comes up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2024 6:51 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been through this several times. Huge pita, not worth the
>>> effort.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2024, at 11:28?PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> It's probably best to avoid TV at this point. Very low margin, lots of
>>> issues, increasing wholesale rates, churn, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lots of companies are dropping TV and pushing people to streaming
>>> instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:13?PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, why do you want to do TV?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 6:48 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good to know
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chris Fabien <
>>> ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2024 7:30:35 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We had an extremely bad experience with Rodeo TV, FYI. We ended up
>>> building a proper cable TV headend. It was definitely not a turnkey
>>> project.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 3:24?PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The last time I dug into doing TV I found anything from companies that
>>> would help you set up a head-end to the turnkey players like Realchoice. I
>>> think I’d rather be on the turnkey end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The most
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know Realchoice TV is a good product. They’ve always been responsive
>>> whenever I needed anything, and the TV works fine. What else is out there
>>> these days?
>>>
>>> 1. Realchoice TV
>>> 2. Rodeo Networks? Are they still a thing?
>>> 3. Direct TV has something you can resell as well, but frankly I’ve
>>> been a retailer for Dish Network and DirecTV for satellite TV, and both
>>> were like having an abusive spouse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What else is there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
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