A few of the reasons I don’t like IPTV: (after built several headends in my
lifetime)
Too many earth station antennas.
Too many LNA, B, Cs
Too many receivers
Too many encoders.transcoders. stream processors etc
Too many transmission – retransmission agreements
Too much money paid for content
Too little ROI
Too much support
From: Robert
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
TANSTAAFL
On 9/17/24 10:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
and need not mention that "free" is almost never totally free.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 9/17/2024 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’m surprised how openly they sell these:
https://vseebox.com/
Plus there are the Android boxes that come with pre-installed backdoors and
malware.
But hey … free TV!
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I wonder if the streamers embed a watermark to allow traceability.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
TV (broadcast and streaming) is getting expensive enough that pirate TV
boxes are making a comeback.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 9:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>; dmmoff...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I'm not sure of the brand, this was many years ago, and I don't think I
could find a logo I was in a largish hotel that had a STB that had a single
Cat5 running into it. HDMI to the TV, Analog phone port to the room phone, and
WIFI AP. You turned on the TV and it worked. Maybe The Hospitality arena
already has something that you're looking for that could be adapted to MDU?
On 9/17/2024 8:59 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the main reason is for MDU’s. If the owners are going to build a
TV service into their leases then their option is either a deal for both TV and
Internet from cable, or to work with two different companies. They’re probably
not going to work with two companies. Our solution right now is mybundle.tv,
which is not providing anything that the customer couldn’t get on their own,
and there’s not much in it for us.
I really want it to be a turnkey thing because we’ll have less sunk cost
if we want to drop it someday. And I’ll say we have Realchoice for one
building now, and our cost on the TV package is something like $11/month per
unit. Obviously that’s profitable for us while also being attractive for the
landlords.
My ONLY complaint with Realchoice TV is they don’t have a set top box.
There are situations where I think that would be desirable. For example, one
of our customers is a fully furnished student housing facility where the TV is
already there when the kids move in. If we’re a box on HDMI1 then they could
just turn on the TV and it would work immediately. Otherwise we have to
provide instructions for them to open the app, which a lot of them will never
read, and with new tenants coming in every year I’d rather it was just *there*
when they turn on the TV. The same logic would apply for hospitality and
commercial scenarios. If the hotel TV required you to turn on a Roku and open
an app then I’ll bet half the guests are going to call the front desk not
knowing what to do because they didn’t read the instructions posted next to the
TV. If the doctor’s office TV requires you to open an app after turning it on,
then I’ll bet we’ll walk in and see the Roku home screen most of the time
because the staff won’t know or won’t care about doing that every time.
Basically, while I love that they have apps for Roku, Android, iOS, etc, I want
a set top box to be available as an option because I believe a lot of people
are terminally lazy or stupid.
If there’s a way to have an Android set top box that automatically opens
a particular app on bootup then that might solve my one Realchoice quibble. It
would have to be something we could buy already set up like that.
1.. I already know Dish/Direct are going to have a system where I do
all the work and they get all the money. That’s how they did satellite and I
doubt their streaming would have any different philosophy.
2.. I have one opinion that Rodeo wasn’t good. Any concurrence or
disagreement on that?
3.. I’ll never get buy in from upper management to invest six figures
in a head-end, and I don’t really want that to be my problem.
There must be other players for reselling an IP TV option. Do we know of
any?
If Layne is still on this list I do apologize buddy. Your company has
always responded when we needed something and I’d advocate your product to
anyone. In fact, I currently *am* advocating your product to our upper
management. I only have the one issue, and I know I’ll be asked about it, and
I want to have an answer prepared ahead of time when it comes up.
-Adam
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 6:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
I have been through this several times. Huge pita, not worth the effort.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2024, at 11:28 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
It's probably best to avoid TV at this point. Very low margin, lots of
issues, increasing wholesale rates, churn, etc.
Lots of companies are dropping TV and pushing people to streaming instead.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 7:13 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you want to do TV?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 6:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
Good to know
Get Outlook for iOS
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chris Fabien
<ch...@lakenetmi.com>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 7:30:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP TV
We had an extremely bad experience with Rodeo TV, FYI. We ended up
building a proper cable TV headend. It was definitely not a turnkey project.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 3:24 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
The last time I dug into doing TV I found anything from companies
that would help you set up a head-end to the turnkey players like Realchoice.
I think I’d rather be on the turnkey end of it.
The most
I know Realchoice TV is a good product. They’ve always been
responsive whenever I needed anything, and the TV works fine. What else is out
there these days?
1.. Realchoice TV
2.. Rodeo Networks? Are they still a thing?
3.. Direct TV has something you can resell as well, but frankly
I’ve been a retailer for Dish Network and DirecTV for satellite TV, and both
were like having an abusive spouse.
What else is there?
-Adam
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