Yeah, funny, girls hold a grudge forever.
From: Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
The last guy I picked up and shoved into a corner in the hall between classes
ended up being the guy that helped me wire my house when I built. Fist fights
were a weekly thing for our school too. Your right. After it was all over
they were friends again. Not so with the girls though
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From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:50:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
In the 60s and 70s fist fights were a weekly occurrence. Most of the guys I
got into fights with became good buddies. We actually had boxing equipment in
the gym locker. Even the kids that got picked on would punch you of you pushed
them too far.
From: Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
it seems to me the schools have created a lot of these issues themselves.
Zero tolerance policies for fighting in or out of school. I'm not saying
fighting is the right solution but when kids are forced to bottle up their
emotions and cant fight back against someone for being a bully or defend
someone else that is being bullied, it has to go somewhere. I have zero psych
training and dont claim to understand a kids mind at all. (I have a 22 YO)
But when I was in HS in the 80's, I got pushed around some. I learned how
much I could deal with and when to fight back. I only ever through one punch
at a kid. He deserved it and the whole class and the substitute (the bullys
aunt) teacher saw it. After the class and the bully caught his breath and
picked himself up off the floor, the teacher went back to grading her papers
and never said a word. I was never bothered by him again. Kids dont have
that chance today to defend themselves. While that doesn't excuse whats going
on with the shootings, it does maybe explain it some. Why do kids have so
many emotional, dysfunctional, identity crisis issues today? It wasn't a thing
30 years or more ago. Sure kids will always have some issues, But if they
are not allowed to deal with them what kind of results do we expect?
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From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Guns have always been available. But something has changed with the youth. It
is a mental health/upbringing issue. Kids that are picked on now turn to more
and more destructive coping tactics. Either they kill themselves or do this
kind of crap. This nation will never do a New Zealand cure, so we have to
focus on the kids. But it seems that the trend is in the opposite direction to
me.
Use the wrong pronoun and the kid feels justified to commit murder. I have a
simplistic outlook, kids need stern and loving parents that are not afraid of
corporal punishment and teaching them the value of work. Some of my adult
children (two of the girls, one is a JR High science teacher) feel now that I
abused them with this outlook. Oh well. At least none of my kids have shot up
the place yet.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
The time for action is now, we must love the forgotten and teach virtues to our
youth. Prayers are nothing without action. We can and we will a change this
world. GOD is merciful
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We have to fix this. This is abhorrent. Demand change.
“Policy and change” should accompany “thoughts and prayers. “
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun
supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
Tony Gonzales for one .
I call it as it is...
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why is
it always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless they
cannot do anything but whine raise taxes?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with
assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
You don't live near the border...
You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist
assholes...
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather
of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro
life my ass..
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of
firearms we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you
have nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight
very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that
turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton USA. Stop
the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less.
You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot.
You dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there
shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every
other country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals.
Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring
universal background checks means no more private sales without a background
check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they
should.
If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm,
this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to
commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people accountable
who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a parent's gun to
commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send a message that
guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. People will lock up their
guns and be way more careful about who they sell or gift them to if they are
liable for crimes committed using their firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
everywhere else, it WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so
if someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is
a good guy with a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never
have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more
people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say you're in
Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start killing
people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol and have to
decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting shot by other
good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad guy
with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You could
be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be shooting
innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight happening in church.
The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America
getting rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make
guns a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures
all holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but
have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun and I
support that.
The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and
police officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is
cost tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun lobby
does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control legislation does
not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal background checks yet the
Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to democrats.
They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase supply of baby
formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American
people. They take away human rights. They lie about science and allow their
supporters to die from covid by spreading misinformation. They try to scare
their supports by putting the fear of God into them with baseless claims of
replacement theory, war on God, indoctrination...
The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't
stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still
spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure
election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger generation
won't tolerate all the BS.
Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as
long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like,
they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you
want them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun
loving supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to
hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from
the right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to
be passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to
do nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts
happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing
and shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
shootings only happen in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion
if your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Figuratively inside the lines.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
...you mean outside the lines?
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a
lot of rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
via AF
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to
do compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on
both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot
sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot
mix on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he
sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty
his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off
the burner and pump and add more the next day.
An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat
clean up job where he emptied his sprayer.
Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves
laying down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the
shoulder with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for
the year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can
do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told me to
get off his work site or I would be arrested.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
but it's organic.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe
asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly”
Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the
benefits of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a
100 mile road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no
single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have road
issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And if john
at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at mile 23 is
gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents)
doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, so mile 36
is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at mile 52 is a
dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't
like people so he put boulders across his mile.
These fools are just kid brains who want no government of
someone else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of
their arguments break down after a little long term logic.
I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's
best to not push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through
to a fingerful of shit.
On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch
brothers and the (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle
land for me.
-Sean
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I
could be on board. I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my
wallet.
…..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can
relate with and some others are absolutely insane.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason
McKemie
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to
partially identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting
people like Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote
libertarian if you want a libertarian!
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
<Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried
and cranky, y’all need to go back to bed and get some rest.
-Sean
(For the record I’m registered independent ,
socially liberal, fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t
a throwaway vote)
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via
AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some
toughening up. Everyone could use some more grit.
In my experience, those that feel compelled to
“call out” people never affect positive change. And frequently they harm
themselves in the trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying
to shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
What good does it do to tell some red necked
construction worker that he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I
abhor. And I try to teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work,
if they are my employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t
change I fire them.
Social justice warriors are idiots in my
opinion. They invent a noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while
acting out in socially impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an
anarchist. Look at antifa and proud boys.
Exact same people, doing the exact same things,
for the exact same reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line
they are trying to advance.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
You stirred the liberal hornets nest now,
Chuck.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally
alt-right. All ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from
substance abuse and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving
two are always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around
them so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
…..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s
not for me to pass judgement.
On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel
like they’re the rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids
in Utah feel like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
That is how I would describe some of my kids.
The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money
and happiness.
Never expected I would not be able to speak my
mind at family dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown
in the hole for a lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now
and then at their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a
half hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
Odd times....
I loved my parents and grandparents.
Never felt they had to earn it.
Never would have thought of condemning them for
the things they said.
Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles
from me. Our families were separate all while the kids were growing.
But some of hers have done the same things to
her. Using the exact same vernacular.
Must have something to do with energy drinks I
think.
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