Make shooting people illegal. Make guns illegal to be used as a weapon
against people.
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:24 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
> What would you have them do?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun
> supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
> Tony Gonzales for one .
> I call it as it is...
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>
>> This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why
>> is it always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless
>> they cannot do anything but whine raise taxes?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with
>> assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
>> You don't live near the border...
>> You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist
>> assholes...
>> I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather
>> of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
>> Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro
>> life my ass..
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of
>>> firearms we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you
>>> have nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats
>>> fight very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how
>>> that turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton
>>> USA. Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less.
>>>
>>> You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You
>>> dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there
>>> shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
>>>> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
>>>>
>>>> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals.
>>>> Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring
>>>> universal background checks means no more private sales without a
>>>> background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks
>>>> today when they should.
>>>>
>>>> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm,
>>>> this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used
>>>> to commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
>>>> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
>>>> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
>>>> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
>>>> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell
>>>> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
>>>> firearm.
>>>>
>>>> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
>>>> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
>>>> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
>>>> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
>>>> everywhere else, it WILL work here.
>>>>
>>>> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so
>>>> if someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
>>>> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
>>>> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
>>>> guns back.
>>>>
>>>> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
>>>> good guy with a gun.
>>>>
>>>> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never
>>>> have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming
>>>> more people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
>>>> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
>>>> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol
>>>> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting
>>>> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know
>>>> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
>>>> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
>>>> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
>>>> firefight happening in church.
>>>>
>>>> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting
>>>> rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns
>>>> a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
>>>> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
>>>> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
>>>>
>>>> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but
>>>> have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
>>>> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
>>>> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun
>>>> and I support that.
>>>>
>>>> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and
>>>> police officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is
>>>> cost tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place.
>>>> It may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20
>>>> steps before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1
>>>> in preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed
>>>> guards.
>>>>
>>>> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
>>>> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun
>>>> lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
>>>> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
>>>> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
>>>>
>>>> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
>>>> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
>>>> democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase
>>>> supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to
>>>> hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about
>>>> science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading
>>>> misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of God
>>>> into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God,
>>>> indoctrination...
>>>>
>>>> The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't
>>>> stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party
>>>> still spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most
>>>> secure election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger
>>>> generation won't tolerate all the BS.
>>>>
>>>> Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as
>>>> long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like,
>>>> they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what
>>>> you want them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving
>>>>> supporters...
>>>>> Fuck his press release...
>>>>> These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
>>>>> Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the
>>>>>> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
>>>>>> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
>>>>>> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
>>>>>> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
>>>>>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
>>>>>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
>>>>>> shootings only happen in America.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if
>>>>>> your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
>>>>>>> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do
>>>>>>> compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on
>>>>>>> both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the
>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>> sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to
>>>>>>> dumping
>>>>>>> hot mix on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost
>>>>>>> empty
>>>>>>> so he sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the
>>>>>>> gravel empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as
>>>>>>> normally
>>>>>>> they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up
>>>>>>> job where he emptied his sprayer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying
>>>>>>> down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the
>>>>>>> shoulder
>>>>>>> with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the
>>>>>>> year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He
>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>> me to get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but it's organic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt
>>>>>>> and concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits
>>>>>>> of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100
>>>>>>> mile road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road.
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and
>>>>>>> woke
>>>>>>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally
>>>>>>> friendly,
>>>>>>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals,
>>>>>>> paul at
>>>>>>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at
>>>>>>> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone
>>>>>>> else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of
>>>>>>> their arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to
>>>>>>> not push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> a fingerful of shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and
>>>>>>> the (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on
>>>>>>> board. I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> …..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with
>>>>>>> and some others are absolutely insane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially
>>>>>>> identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like
>>>>>>> Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you
>>>>>>> want a libertarian!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
>>>>>>> need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
>>>>>>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway
>>>>>>> vote)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone
>>>>>>> could use some more grit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>>>>>>> never affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker
>>>>>>> that he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> to teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they
>>>>>>> are my
>>>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a
>>>>>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in
>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist.
>>>>>>> Look at
>>>>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>>>>>> reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are
>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>> to advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All
>>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance
>>>>>>> abuse
>>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are
>>>>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>>>>>> judgement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the
>>>>>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family
>>>>>>> dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>>>>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
>>>>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
>>>>>>> hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Odd times....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they
>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families
>>>>>>> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the exact
>>>>>>> same vernacular.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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