Never said illegals shoot kids, said if you can get whole bodies through a
porous border, you can move guns across it, they're smaller
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 7:39 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with
> assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
> You don't live near the border...
> You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist
> assholes...
> I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather
> of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
> Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro
> life my ass..
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of firearms
>> we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you have
>> nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight
>> very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that
>> turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton USA.
>> Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less.
>>
>> You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You
>> dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there
>> shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
>>> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
>>>
>>> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals.
>>> Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring
>>> universal background checks means no more private sales without a
>>> background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks
>>> today when they should.
>>>
>>> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm,
>>> this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used
>>> to commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
>>> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
>>> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
>>> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
>>> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell
>>> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
>>> firearm.
>>>
>>> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
>>> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
>>> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
>>> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
>>> everywhere else, it WILL work here.
>>>
>>> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
>>> someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
>>> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
>>> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
>>> guns back.
>>>
>>> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
>>> good guy with a gun.
>>>
>>> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never
>>> have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming
>>> more people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
>>> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
>>> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol
>>> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting
>>> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know
>>> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
>>> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
>>> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
>>> firefight happening in church.
>>>
>>> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting
>>> rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns
>>> a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
>>> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
>>> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
>>>
>>> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but
>>> have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
>>> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
>>> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun
>>> and I support that.
>>>
>>> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
>>> officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost
>>> tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
>>> may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
>>> before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
>>> preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
>>>
>>> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
>>> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun
>>> lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
>>> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
>>> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
>>>
>>> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
>>> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
>>> democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase
>>> supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to
>>> hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about
>>> science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading
>>> misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of God
>>> into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God,
>>> indoctrination...
>>>
>>> The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't
>>> stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party
>>> still spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most
>>> secure election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger
>>> generation won't tolerate all the BS.
>>>
>>> Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as
>>> long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like,
>>> they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what
>>> you want them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving
>>>> supporters...
>>>> Fuck his press release...
>>>> These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
>>>> Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the
>>>>> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
>>>>> control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
>>>>> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
>>>>> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
>>>>> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
>>>>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
>>>>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
>>>>> shootings only happen in America.
>>>>>
>>>>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if
>>>>> your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
>>>>>> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>>>>>> AF
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do
>>>>>> compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on
>>>>>> both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot
>>>>>> sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to
>>>>>> dumping
>>>>>> hot mix on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost
>>>>>> empty
>>>>>> so he sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the
>>>>>> gravel empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally
>>>>>> they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up
>>>>>> job where he emptied his sprayer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying
>>>>>> down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder
>>>>>> with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the
>>>>>> year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can
>>>>>> do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told
>>>>>> me to get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but it's organic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt
>>>>>> and concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits
>>>>>> of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100
>>>>>> mile road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
>>>>>> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and
>>>>>> woke
>>>>>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally
>>>>>> friendly,
>>>>>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at
>>>>>> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone
>>>>>> else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of
>>>>>> their arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not
>>>>>> push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a
>>>>>> fingerful of shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the
>>>>>> (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on
>>>>>> board. I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with and
>>>>>> some others are absolutely insane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially
>>>>>> identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like
>>>>>> Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you
>>>>>> want a libertarian!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
>>>>>> need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
>>>>>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway
>>>>>> vote)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone could
>>>>>> use some more grit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>>>>>> never affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in the
>>>>>> trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
>>>>>> he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I try to
>>>>>> teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my
>>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a
>>>>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in
>>>>>> socially
>>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. Look
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>>>>> reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All
>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance
>>>>>> abuse
>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are
>>>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>>>>> judgement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the
>>>>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>>>>>> AF
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>>>>>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>>>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
>>>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
>>>>>> hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Odd times....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they
>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families
>>>>>> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the exact
>>>>>> same vernacular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
>>>>>>
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