On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or
people with assault weapons...they come here for a better
life...
You don't live near the border...
You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic
racist assholes...
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a
grandfather of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck
GOP, pro life my ass..
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
No country that enacted these controls already had the
volume of firearms we have presently. Comparing apples
and turtles. Ban them and you have nothing but illegal
weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight
very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns
and see how that turns out. Disarm real people and every
city and town will be Compton USA. Stop the hugathug
campaigns and the shootings will be less.
You folks are only upset because some white kids may have
been shot. You dont care that more kids of color are
killed annually in here and there shootings. Get off the
big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence.
Look at every other country in the world and how much
less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply
available to criminals. Every gun a criminal has/had
was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
background checks means no more private sales without
a background check. Gun shows and private party sales
don't require checks today when they should.
If background checks are required for any sale or
gift of a firearm, this means sellers will be liable
if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to commit a
crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold
people accountable who put guns into the hands of bad
people. If a child uses a parent's gun to commit a
crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send
a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the
wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be
way more careful about who they sell or gift them to
if they are liable for crimes committed using their
firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the
supply of legal guns going to criminals and mentally
unstable people? Again, look at every other country
that has either gun bans or strict gun control and
their statistics clearly show that they have less gun
violence per capita. If it works everywhere else, it
WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should
be passed too so if someone becomes mentally unstable
and starts posting about threats or violence they
want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze
their guns until they have a psych eval and can prove
they're sane enough to get their guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad
guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make
sure they never have access to a gun to begin with.
There's multiple reasons why arming more people is a
bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then.
Say you're in Texas at church where many people
carry. Someone decides to start killing people in
church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their
pistol and have to decide who the bad guy is... How
many good guys end up getting shot by other good
guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always
know who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good
guys with guns draw at the same time. You could be
shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because
there's a 20 person firefight happening in church.
The solution goes back to people having fewer guns
and America getting rid of their obsession with guns.
Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
personality trait. The people who take family
Christmas card pictures all holding guns is
embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns
and be private about it instead of acting all Macho
and worshiping your weapons?!
FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I
do not carry but have the ability to. I have several
pistols and some hunting rifles and shotguns. I have
no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need
for others to want them either. I think it should be
much harder to buy a gun and I support that.
The solution to gun violence is not to hire more
armed guards and police officers to patrol schools
and other public places. All that does is cost tons
of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting
up a place. It may only reduce the response time to
take out the shooter. Think 20 steps before we get to
the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra
money or armed guards.
Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun
violence. Opinions, thoughts and prayers do nothing
to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun lobby does
not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun
control legislation does not help. Over 90% of
Americans support universal background checks yet the
Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
I'll scream this until people hear it, the
Republicans are the obstructionist, pro-death party.
Their only platform is to say no to democrats. They
blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help
increase supply of baby formula, help reduce gas
prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American
people. They take away human rights. They lie about
science and allow their supporters to die from covid
by spreading misinformation. They try to scare their
supports by putting the fear of God into them with
baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God,
indoctrination...
The party has become a joke. No spine and full of
cowards who won't stand up to hateful rhetoric. A
coup attempt on January 6 and the party still spreads
the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in
the most secure election in history. The party is
becoming worthless and the younger generation won't
tolerate all the BS.
Democrat is the progressive party that cares about
all people and as long as we keep it moderate and
speak up about what we like and don't like, they are
likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and
tell them what you want them to do if you don't agree
with their platform.
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and
all his gun loving supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an
NRA event next week
Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun
Cruzado...fuck them to hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
18 more children shot and killed. Fuck
thoughts and prayers from the right. These
damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of
sensible gun control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy.
Red flag laws need to be passed. Background
checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the
Republicans want to do nothing. They'll
gladly keep letting Americans die in order to
keep gun nuts happy. Something over 60% of
Americans support stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death
party. How embarrassing and shameful!! If you
vote republican, start reaching out to your
politicians and ask them to fucking do
something!! This is a goddamn joke. These
mass shootings only happen in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must
voice your opinion if your party keeps
messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Figuratively inside the lines.
Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar
Ortega | Spotify
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
...you mean outside the lines?
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
NYDOT can be pretty accommodating,
but they definitely have a lot of
rules and they do want you to color
inside the lines.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly
political
Once we had to cut a road with an
excavator. Then we had to do
compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt
on the top had to be milled down on
both sides so the profile of the
patch formed a T shape. We used the
hot sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer
to spray down the T patch prior to
dumping hot mix on it and compacting.
The guy running the sprayer was
almost empty so he sprayed some of
the gravel on the edges of the road
surface in the gravel empty his
machine. Not sure why he wanted to
empty it as normally they just shut
off the burner and pump and add more
the next day.
An inspector came out and made us do
defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
where he emptied his sprayer.
Then the next year they chip sealed
that road. That involves laying down
rock chips and spraying the whole
road and a portion of the shoulder
with the exact same hot sticky
asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for
the year before. Same inspector was
there. I got out and asked why UDOT
can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT
hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He
told me to get off his work site or I
would be arrested.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
but it's organic.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM,
dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
“kile (with an I not a Y and woke
parents) doesn't believe asphalt
and concrete are environmentally
friendly”
Well an asphalt road is kind of
like a really long oil spill
*From:*AF
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022
2:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly
political
Most libertarians I know are just
crybabies. They want the benefits
of governance without the costs.
In a libertarian society to have
a 100 mile road, you would
destroy your car every trip
because there would be no single
governing body to maintain it in
a consistent manner. Sure we have
road issues now, but every
property line you cross would be
a new road. And if john at mile 6
like cobblestone, its
cobblestone, and you know keith
at mile 23 is gonna charge a 42
dollar toll, kile (with an I not
a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are
environmentally friendly, so mile
36 is made of soy and has long
since been eaten by animals, paul
at mile 52 is a dick and stores
all his nails on his road, then
Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't
like people so he put boulders
across his mile.
These fools are just kid brains
who want no government of someone
else's, they want their
government based on their current
whim. Most of their arguments
break down after a little long
term logic.
I also forgot to mention, just
like wiping your ass, it's best
to not push too hard on a 2022
liberal, you'll just end up
pushing through to a fingerful of
shit.
On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM
Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Yeah the libertarian platform
I agree with, the Koch
brothers and the (Ron/Rand)
Paul family are too far out
there in whackadoodle land
for me.
-Sean
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02
AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I read the Libertarian
part platform and thought
I could be on board. I
registered as Libertarian
and carried the card in
my wallet.
…..and then I met the
other libertarians. Some
I can relate with and
some others are
absolutely insane.
*From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
*On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, May 19,
2022 6:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT
mildly political
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined
that designation. I used
to partially identify as
libertarian, I don't do
that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19,
2022, Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Here in ColoRADo
voting libertarian
ends up getting
people like Lauren
Bobert elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022
at 9:15 AM Josh
Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
It's not a
throwaway
vote!!!! You
have to vote
libertarian if
you want a
libertarian!
On Thu, May 19,
2022 at 11:06 AM
Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us>
wrote:
<Say in the
voice of Mr.
Mackey from
South Park>
Mmmkay
everyone, all
you “woke”
people are
tried and
cranky, y’all
need to go
back to bed
and get some
rest.
-Sean
(For the
record I’m
registered
independent ,
socially
liberal,
fiscally
conservative,
I would vote
libertarian
if it wasn’t
a throwaway vote)
On Thu, May
19, 2022 at
8:53 AM Chuck
McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
Well,
maybe
their
thin skin
needs
some
toughening
up.
Everyone
could use
some more
grit.
In my
experience,
those
that feel
compelled
to “call
out”
people
never
affect
positive
change.
And
frequently
they harm
themselves
in the
trying.
Becoming
toxic
themselves
to those
they are
trying to
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put
down.
What good
does it
do to
tell some
red
necked
construction
worker
that he
is being
racist?
I just
avoid
those
with
views I
abhor.
And I try
to teach
by
example.
But I
never
call
anyone
out. At
work, if
they are
my
employee,
I address
the
concern
in
private.
If they
don’t
change I
fire them.
Social
justice
warriors
are
idiots in
my
opinion.
They
invent a
noble
cause
with
which to
enshroud
themselves
while
acting
out in
socially
impolitic
ways, a
good
reason,
in their
mind, to
be an
anarchist.
Look at
antifa
and proud
boys.
Exact
same
people,
doing the
exact
same
things,
for the
exact
same
reasons.
The ONLY
difference
is some
contrived
battle
line they
are
trying to
advance.
*From:*Cameron
Crum
*Sent:*Thursday,
May 19,
2022 7:42 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group
*Subject:*Re:
[AFMUG]
OT mildly
political
You
stirred
the
liberal
hornets
nest now,
Chuck.
On Thu,
May 19,
2022 at
7:51 AM
<dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Weirdly
opposite
here.
My
brothers
are
vocally
alt-right.
All
ex-military,
all
purport
to be
Christian.
One
is
dead
from
substance
abuse
and
suffered
a
variety
of
mental
health
issues.
The
surviving
two
are
always
broke,
angry,
and
unhappy.
I
feel
like
I
have
to
tiptoe
around
them
so
they
don’t
fly
off
the
handle
about
anything.
…..and
I’m
not
at
all
“woke”.
I
just
know
it’s
not
for
me to
pass
judgement.
On
the
other
hand,
this
is
NY.
Maybe
they
feel
like
they’re
the
rebels
fighting
the
evil
liberal
death
star.
Maybe
your
kids
in
Utah
feel
like
they’re
the
rebels
fighting
the
evil
Republican
death
star.
*From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
*On
Behalf
Of
*Chuck
McCown
via AF
*Sent:*
Wednesday,
May
18,
2022
6:11 PM
*To:*
af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:*
Chuck
McCown
<ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Subject:*
[AFMUG]
OT
mildly
political
Woke,
broke,
in
therapy
and
crazy
unhappy.
That
is
how I
would
describe
some
of my
kids.
The
alt
right
unwoke
ones
seem
to
have
money
and
happiness.
Never
expected
I
would
not
be
able
to
speak
my
mind
at
family
dinners
just
to be
able
to
still
see
some
of my
kids.
Feel
like
I was
convicted
in
absentia,
thrown
in
the
hole
for a
lifetime
sentence,
but
taken
out
of
solitary
confinement
now
and
then
at
their
whims
just
so
they
could
claim
to
have
compassion
on me
for a
half
hour
walk
in
the
woods.
Maybe
longer
if I
pay
for
dinner.
Odd
times....
I
loved
my
parents
and
grandparents.
Never
felt
they
had
to
earn it.
Never
would
have
thought
of
condemning
them
for
the
things
they
said.
Funny,
I
have
a
sister
that
lives
1000
miles
from
me.
Our
families
were
separate
all
while
the
kids
were
growing.
But
some
of
hers
have
done
the
same
things
to
her.
Using
the
exact
same
vernacular.
Must
have
something
to do
with
energy
drinks
I think.
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