I dont see end days, I see us turning it around. I think we are inherently bad, but also inherently obstinate. One of the greatest generations is just starting to graduate high school and the left wing muppets will slowly wither away into the obscure holes from whence they came. I think this generation will better understand firm hand, soft heart and be able to breed accountability without the violence. Theyll find the middle ground between ass whoopin and time out. Theyre better at empathy but also see the bullshit spewed by the false good of the left and right wing nutjobs. Plus, they have a great sense of humor, they dont get butthurt by dark humor but seem to know its appropriate applications,
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > I am not a big believer in the “end days” the rapture, the apocalypse. > But if I was, these events would back up those beliefs. So perhaps it is > gonna happen, why bother worrying about politics... > > Here is the Mormon take on the end times: > > The signs of the times in our day are events that were prophesied to take > place in the latter days before the Second Coming of Christ. > > 1. > 1. > > A general apostasy would precede the Second Coming of Christ (see 2 > Thessalonians 2:1–4 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/2-thes/2.1-4?lang=eng#p1> > ; Isaiah 29:10, 13 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/isa/29.10,13?lang=eng#p10> > ). > 2. > > The gospel would be restored (see Daniel 2:44 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/dan/2.44?lang=eng#p44> > ; Revelation 14:6 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/14.6?lang=eng#p6> > ; Acts 3:19–21 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/acts/3.19-21?lang=eng#p19> > ). > 3. > > Scattered Israel would be gathered home (see Articles of Faith 1:10 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1.10?lang=eng#p10> > ; Jeremiah 16:14–16 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/jer/16.14-16?lang=eng#p14> > ; Amos 9:8–15 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/amos/9.8-15?lang=eng#p8> > ; 2 Nephi 25:15–17 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/25.15-17?lang=eng#p15> > ; Jeremiah 31:6–14 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/jer/31.6-14?lang=eng#p6> > ; 1 Nephi 22:11–12 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/22.11-12?lang=eng#p11> > ). > 4. > > Wickedness will be rampant (see 2 Timothy 3:1–7 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/2-tim/3.1-7?lang=eng#p1> > ; Matthew 24:37–39 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/24.37-39?lang=eng#p37>; > Matthew 1:30 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.30?lang=eng#p30> > ). > 5. > > Physical calamities will occur (see Revelation 8:7–13 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/8.7-13?lang=eng#p7> > ; 16:1–16 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/16.1-16?lang=eng#p1> > ; D&C 88:87 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88.87?lang=eng#p87> > ; Revelation 6:12–13 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/6.12-13?lang=eng#p12> > ; D&C 45:26, 33, 40–42 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/45.26,33,40-42?lang=eng#p26> > ;). > 6. > > Wars and rumors of wars will abound (see Matthew 1:28 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.28?lang=eng#p28> > ; Ezekiel 38–39 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/ezek/38?lang=eng> > ; D&C 45:26 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/45.26?lang=eng#p26> > ; Revelation 9:1–19 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/9.1-19?lang=eng#p1> > ). > 7. > > Babylon, the great and abominable church, will fall (see Revelation > 18:1–18 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rev/18.1-18?lang=eng#p1> > ; D&C 29:21 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/29.21?lang=eng#p21> > ; 1 Nephi 22:23 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/22.23?lang=eng#p23> > ; D&C 88:94, 105 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88.94,105?lang=eng#p94> > ). > 8. > > Zion will be established (see Moses 7:62–64 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/7.62-64?lang=eng#p62> > ; D&C 45:64–71 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/45.64-71?lang=eng#p64> > ; 3 Nephi 20:18, 22 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/20.18,22?lang=eng#p18> > ; Articles of Faith 1:10 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1.10?lang=eng#p10> > ). > 9. > > Our Father in Heaven has assured us that all of His prophecies and > promises pertaining to the latter days will come to pass (see D&C > 1:37–38 > > <https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/1.37-38?lang=eng#p37> > ). > > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:11 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > The time for action is now, we must love the forgotten and teach virtues > to our youth. Prayers are nothing without action. We can and we will a > change this world. GOD is merciful > > Thurston High School. > Columbine High School. > Heritage High School. > Deming Middle School. > Fort Gibson Middle School. > Buell Elementary School. > Lake Worth Middle School. > University of Arkansas. > Junipero Serra High School. > Santana High School. > Bishop Neumann High School. > Pacific Lutheran University. > Granite Hills High School. > Lew Wallace High School. > Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. > Appalachian School of Law. > Washington High School. > Conception Abbey. > Benjamin Tasker Middle School. > University of Arizona. > Lincoln High School. > John McDonogh High School. > Red Lion Area Junior High School. > Case Western Reserve University. > Rocori High School. > Ballou High School. > Randallstown High School. > Bowen High School. > Red Lake Senior High School. > Harlan Community Academy High School. > Campbell County High School. > Milwee Middle School. > Roseburg High School. > Pine Middle School. > Essex Elementary School. > Duquesne University. > Platte Canyon High School. > Weston High School. > West Nickel Mines School. > Joplin Memorial Middle School. > Henry Foss High School. > Compton Centennial High School. > Virginia Tech. > Success Tech Academy. > Miami Carol City Senior High School. > Hamilton High School. > Louisiana Technical College. > Mitchell High School. > E.O. Green Junior High School. > Northern Illinois University. > Lakota Middle School. > Knoxville Central High School. > Willoughby South High School. > Henry Ford High School. > University of Central Arkansas. > Dillard High School. > Dunbar High School. > Hampton University. > Harvard College. > Larose-Cut Off Middle School. > International Studies Academy. > Skyline College. > Discovery Middle School. > University of Alabama. > DeKalb School. > Deer Creek Middle School. > Ohio State University. > Mumford High School. > University of Texas. > Kelly Elementary School. > Marinette High School. > Aurora Central High School. > Millard South High School. > Martinsville West Middle School. > Worthing High School. > Millard South High School. > Highlands Intermediate School. > Cape Fear High School. > Chardon High School. > Episcopal School of Jacksonville. > Oikos University. > Hamilton High School. > Perry Hall School. > Normal Community High School. > University of South Alabama. > Banner Academy South. > University of Southern California. > Sandy Hook Elementary School. > Apostolic Revival Center Christian School. > Taft Union High School. > Osborn High School. > Stevens Institute of Business and Arts. > Hazard Community and Technical College. > Chicago State University. > Lone Star College-North. > Cesar Chavez High School. > Price Middle School. > University of Central Florida. > New River Community College. > Grambling State University. > Massachusetts Institute of Technology. > Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School. > Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy. > North Panola High School. > Carver High School. > Agape Christian Academy. > Sparks Middle School. > North Carolina A&T State University. > Stephenson High School. > Brashear High School. > West Orange High School. > Arapahoe High School. > Edison High School. > Liberty Technology Magnet High School. > Hillhouse High School. > Berrendo Middle School. > Purdue University. > South Carolina State University. > Los Angeles Valley College. > Charles F. Brush High School. > University of Southern California. > Georgia Regents University. > Academy of Knowledge Preschool. > Benjamin Banneker High School. > D. H. Conley High School. > East English Village Preparatory Academy. > Paine College. > Georgia Gwinnett College. > John F. Kennedy High School. > Seattle Pacific University. > Reynolds High School. > Indiana State University. > Albemarle High School. > Fern Creek Traditional High School. > Langston Hughes High School. > Marysville Pilchuck High School. > Florida State University. > Miami Carol City High School. > Rogers State University. > Rosemary Anderson High School. > Wisconsin Lutheran High School. > Frederick High School. > Tenaya Middle School. > Bethune-Cookman University. > Pershing Elementary School. > Wayne Community College. > J.B. Martin Middle School. > Southwestern Classical Academy. > Savannah State University. > Harrisburg High School. > Umpqua Community College. > Northern Arizona University. > Texas Southern University. > Tennessee State University. > Winston-Salem State University. > Mojave High School. > Lawrence Central High School. > Franklin High School. > Muskegon Heights High School. > Independence High School. > Madison High School. > Antigo High School. > University of California-Los Angeles. > Jeremiah Burke High School. > Alpine High School. > Townville Elementary School. > Vigor High School. > Linden McKinley STEM Academy. > June Jordan High School for Equity. > Union Middle School. > Mueller Park Junior High School. > West Liberty-Salem High School. > University of Washington. > King City High School. > North Park Elementary School. > North Lake College. > Freeman High School. > Mattoon High School. > Rancho Tehama Elementary School. > Aztec High School. > Wake Forest University. > Italy High School. > NET Charter High School. > Marshall County High School. > Sal Castro Middle School. > Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School > Great Mills High School > Central Michigan University > Huffman High School > Frederick Douglass High School > Forest High School > Highland High School > Dixon High School > Santa Fe High School > Noblesville West Middle School > University of North Carolina Charlotte > STEM School Highlands Ranch > Edgewood High School > Palm Beach Central High School > Providence Career & Technical Academy > Fairley High School (school bus) > Canyon Springs High School > Dennis Intermediate School > Florida International University > Central Elementary School > Cascade Middle School > Davidson High School > Prairie View A & M University > Altascocita High School > Central Academy of Excellence > Cleveland High School > Robert E. Lee High School > Cheyenne South High School > Grambling State University > Blountsville Elementary School > Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus) > Prescott High School > College of the Mainland > Wynbrooke Elementary School > UNC Charlotte > Riverview Florida (school bus) > Second Chance High School > Carman-Ainsworth High School > Williwaw Elementary School > Monroe Clark Middle School > Central Catholic High School > Jeanette High School > Eastern Hills High School > DeAnza High School > Ridgway High School > Reginald F. Lewis High School > Saugus High School > Pleasantville High School > Waukesha South High School > Oshkosh High School > Catholic Academy of New Haven > Bellaire High School > North Crowley High School > McAuliffe Elementary School > South Oak Cliff High School > Texas A&M University-Commerce > Sonora High School > Western Illinois University > Oxford High School > Robb Elementary School > > We have to fix this. This is abhorrent. Demand change. > “Policy and change” should accompany “thoughts and prayers. “ > > On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun >> supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit... >> Tony Gonzales for one . >> I call it as it is... >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why >>> is it always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless >>> they cannot do anything but whine raise taxes? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with >>> assault weapons...they come here for a better life... >>> You don't live near the border... >>> You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist >>> assholes... >>> I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a >>> grandfather of 16 school age children this hit me very hard... >>> Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro >>> life my ass.. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of >>>> firearms we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you >>>> have nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats >>>> fight very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how >>>> that turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton >>>> USA. Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less. >>>> >>>> You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. >>>> You dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there >>>> shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other >>>>> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have. >>>>> >>>>> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. >>>>> Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring >>>>> universal background checks means no more private sales without a >>>>> background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks >>>>> today when they should. >>>>> >>>>> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, >>>>> this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used >>>>> to commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people >>>>> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a >>>>> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious. >>>>> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. >>>>> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell >>>>> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their >>>>> firearm. >>>>> >>>>> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns >>>>> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every >>>>> other >>>>> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their >>>>> statistics >>>>> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works >>>>> everywhere else, it WILL work here. >>>>> >>>>> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so >>>>> if someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or >>>>> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their >>>>> guns >>>>> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get >>>>> their >>>>> guns back. >>>>> >>>>> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is >>>>> a good guy with a gun. >>>>> >>>>> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never >>>>> have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming >>>>> more people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say >>>>> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to >>>>> start >>>>> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol >>>>> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting >>>>> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know >>>>> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the >>>>> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse >>>>> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person >>>>> firefight happening in church. >>>>> >>>>> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting >>>>> rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make >>>>> guns >>>>> a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures >>>>> all >>>>> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be >>>>> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?! >>>>> >>>>> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but >>>>> have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and >>>>> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for >>>>> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun >>>>> and I support that. >>>>> >>>>> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and >>>>> police officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does >>>>> is >>>>> cost tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. >>>>> It may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 >>>>> steps before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 >>>>> in preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed >>>>> guards. >>>>> >>>>> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, >>>>> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun >>>>> lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control >>>>> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal >>>>> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it. >>>>> >>>>> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the >>>>> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to >>>>> democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase >>>>> supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to >>>>> hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about >>>>> science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading >>>>> misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of >>>>> God >>>>> into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God, >>>>> indoctrination... >>>>> >>>>> The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't >>>>> stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party >>>>> still spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most >>>>> secure election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the >>>>> younger >>>>> generation won't tolerate all the BS. >>>>> >>>>> Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as >>>>> long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't >>>>> like, >>>>> they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them >>>>> what >>>>> you want them to do if you don't agree with their platform. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza < >>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving >>>>>> supporters... >>>>>> Fuck his press release... >>>>>> These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week >>>>>> Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the >>>>>>> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun >>>>>>> control. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be >>>>>>> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do >>>>>>> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun >>>>>>> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun >>>>>>> control. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and >>>>>>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your >>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These >>>>>>> mass >>>>>>> shootings only happen in America. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if >>>>>>> your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Figuratively inside the lines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ...you mean outside the lines? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot >>>>>>>> of rules and they do want you to color inside the lines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>>>>> via AF >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do >>>>>>>> compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the >>>>>>>> hot >>>>>>>> sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to >>>>>>>> dumping >>>>>>>> hot mix on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost >>>>>>>> empty >>>>>>>> so he sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> gravel empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as >>>>>>>> normally >>>>>>>> they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up >>>>>>>> job where he emptied his sprayer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves >>>>>>>> laying down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the >>>>>>>> shoulder with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in >>>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>>> for the year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked >>>>>>>> why >>>>>>>> UDOT can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less >>>>>>>> hazardous. >>>>>>>> He told me to get off his work site or I would be arrested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but it's organic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt >>>>>>>> and concrete are environmentally friendly” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve >>>>>>>> Jones >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits >>>>>>>> of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 >>>>>>>> mile road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would >>>>>>>> be no >>>>>>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new >>>>>>>> road. And >>>>>>>> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know >>>>>>>> keith at >>>>>>>> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and >>>>>>>> woke >>>>>>>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally >>>>>>>> friendly, >>>>>>>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, >>>>>>>> paul at >>>>>>>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at >>>>>>>> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone >>>>>>>> else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of >>>>>>>> their arguments break down after a little long term logic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to >>>>>>>> not push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing >>>>>>>> through to >>>>>>>> a fingerful of shit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and >>>>>>>> the (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on >>>>>>>> board. I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> …..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with >>>>>>>> and some others are absolutely insane. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially >>>>>>>> identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like >>>>>>>> Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman < >>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you >>>>>>>> want a libertarian! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all >>>>>>>> need to go back to bed and get some rest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, >>>>>>>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a >>>>>>>> throwaway >>>>>>>> vote) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF < >>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone >>>>>>>> could use some more grit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people >>>>>>>> never affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to >>>>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker >>>>>>>> that he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And >>>>>>>> I try >>>>>>>> to teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they >>>>>>>> are my >>>>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I >>>>>>>> fire >>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a >>>>>>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in >>>>>>>> socially >>>>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. >>>>>>>> Look at >>>>>>>> antifa and proud boys. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same >>>>>>>> reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are >>>>>>>> trying >>>>>>>> to advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All >>>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance >>>>>>>> abuse >>>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are >>>>>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass >>>>>>>> judgement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the >>>>>>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah >>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>>>>> via AF >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family >>>>>>>> dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a >>>>>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a >>>>>>>> half >>>>>>>> hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Odd times.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Never felt they had to earn it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they >>>>>>>> said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families >>>>>>>> were separate all while the kids were growing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the exact >>>>>>>> same vernacular. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sean Heskett >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ZIRKEL >>>>>>>> Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV >>>>>>>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sean Heskett >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ZIRKEL >>>>>>>> Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV >>>>>>>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sean Heskett >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ZIRKEL >>>>>>>> Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV >>>>>>>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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