it seems to me the schools have created a lot of these issues themselves. Zero
tolerance policies for fighting in or out of school. I'm not saying fighting is
the right solution but when kids are forced to bottle up their emotions and
cant fight back against someone for being a bully or defend someone else that
is being bullied, it has to go somewhere. I have zero psych training and dont
claim to understand a kids mind at all. (I have a 22 YO) But when I was in HS
in the 80's, I got pushed around some. I learned how much I could deal with and
when to fight back. I only ever through one punch at a kid. He deserved it and
the whole class and the substitute (the bullys aunt) teacher saw it. After the
class and the bully caught his breath and picked himself up off the floor, the
teacher went back to grading her papers and never said a word. I was never
bothered by him again. Kids dont have that chance today to defend themselves.
While that doesn't excuse whats going on with the shootings, it does maybe
explain it some. Why do kids have so many emotional, dysfunctional, identity
crisis issues today? It wasn't a thing 30 years or more ago. Sure kids will
always have some issues, But if they are not allowed to deal with them what
kind of results do we expect?
From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Guns have always been available. But something has changed with the youth. It
is a mental health/upbringing issue. Kids that are picked on now turn to more
and more destructive coping tactics. Either they kill themselves or do this
kind of crap. This nation will never do a New Zealand cure, so we have to focus
on the kids. But it seems that the trend is in the opposite direction to me.
Use the wrong pronoun and the kid feels justified to commit murder. I have a
simplistic outlook, kids need stern and loving parents that are not afraid of
corporal punishment and teaching them the value of work. Some of my adult
children (two of the girls, one is a JR High science teacher) feel now that I
abused them with this outlook. Oh well. At least none of my kids have shot up
the place yet.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
The time for action is now, we must love the forgotten and teach virtues to our
youth. Prayers are nothing without action. We can and we will a change this
world. GOD is merciful
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We have to fix this. This is abhorrent. Demand change.
“Policy and change” should accompany “thoughts and prayers. “
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun
supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
Tony Gonzales for one .
I call it as it is...
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why is it
always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless they cannot do
anything but whine raise taxes?
Sent from my iPhone
BQ_BEGIN
On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with
assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
You don't live near the border...
You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist assholes...
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather of 16
school age children this hit me very hard...
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro life my
ass..
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of firearms we
have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you have nothing but
illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight very hard to
ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that turns out. Disarm
real people and every city and town will be Compton USA. Stop the hugathug
campaigns and the shootings will be less.
You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You dont
care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there shootings.
Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other country
in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every gun
a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
background checks means no more private sales without a background check. Gun
shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they should.
If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this means
sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to commit a
crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people accountable who put
guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a parent's gun to commit a
crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send a message that guns are
serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be
way more careful about who they sell or gift them to if they are liable for
crimes committed using their firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns going to
criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other country that
has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics clearly show
that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works everywhere else, it
WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or violence
they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns until they
have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good
guy with a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have
access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more people
is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say you're in Texas
at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start killing people in
church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol and have to decide who
the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting shot by other good guys?
The answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad guy with a gun is
if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You could be shot by
other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be shooting innocent
bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight happening in church.
The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid of
their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have the
ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and shotguns. I have
no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for others to want them
either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun and I support that.
The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost tons
of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It may only
reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps before we get
to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in preventing these mass
shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, thoughts
and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun lobby does not
help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control legislation does not help.
Over 90% of Americans support universal background checks yet the Republicans
won't do a damn thing to pass it.
I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the obstructionist,
pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to democrats. They blocked
bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase supply of baby formula, help
reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American people. They
take away human rights. They lie about science and allow their supporters to
die from covid by spreading misinformation. They try to scare their supports by
putting the fear of God into them with baseless claims of replacement theory,
war on God, indoctrination...
The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand up to
hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still spreads the
big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure election in
history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger generation won't
tolerate all the BS.
Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long as we
keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like, they are
likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you want
them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving
supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right.
These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be passed.
Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do nothing.
They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts happy.
Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and shameful!!
If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians and ask them to
fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass shootings only happen
in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your party
keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Figuratively inside the lines.
From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
...you mean outside the lines?
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules and
they do want you to color inside the lines.
From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do compacted fill
in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides so the
profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot sticky apshalt oil in a
sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix on it and
compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed some of
the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his machine.
Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off the burner
and pump and add more the next day.
An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job where he
emptied his sprayer.
Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying down rock
chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with the exact
same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year before. Same
inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can do it and we cannot, is
the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told me to get off his work site or
I would be arrested.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
but it's organic.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete
are environmentally friendly”
Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of
governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile road,
you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no single
governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have road issues
now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And if john at mile
6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at mile 23 is gonna
charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, so mile 36 is made
of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at mile 52 is a dick and
stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't like
people so he put boulders across his mile.
These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's, they
want their government based on their current whim. Most of their arguments
break down after a little long term logic.
I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not push too
hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a fingerful of
shit.
On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the
(Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.
-Sean
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
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I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board. I
registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.
…..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with and some
others are absolutely insane.
From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as
libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren Bobert
elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you want a
libertarian!
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote:
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<Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to go
back to bed and get some rest.
-Sean
(For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone could use some
more grit.
In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never affect
positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in the trying. Becoming
toxic themselves to those they are trying to shame/expose/coerce/educate/put
down.
What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he is
being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I try to teach by
example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my employee, I
address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire them.
Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a noble cause
with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially impolitic ways,
a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. Look at antifa and proud
boys.
Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same reasons. The
ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying to advance.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:
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Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All ex-military, all
purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance abuse and suffered a
variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are always broke, angry, and
unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they don’t fly off the
handle about anything.
…..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass judgement.
On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels fighting
the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah feel like they’re the
rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
That is how I would describe some of my kids.
The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just to
be able to still see some of my kids.
Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in the
woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
Odd times....
I loved my parents and grandparents.
Never felt they had to earn it.
Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families were
separate all while the kids were growing.
But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the exact same
vernacular.
Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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