even from leftist NPR
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099008586/mass-shootings-us-2022-tally-number

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 12:49 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There have been near or over 200 mass shootings this year, that link is
> pretty suspect in its cherry picking. Agenda driven sources arent sources
>
> " Between 1982 and May 2022, 68 out of the 128 mass shootings in the
> United States were carried out by white shooters. "
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 12:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 68% white Steve, 68%
>>
>>
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>> ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy.
>> You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything, that you
>> opinion and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway, so pretty moot
>> Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues, especially since
>> it can flag a restricted individual, you try to buy a gun when you arent
>> supposed to, you should get a quick visit from authorities to clear it out
>> How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of the
>> shootings and mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate the majority of
>> those? Its always best to start with addressing the big problems first.
>> white supremacists, black supremacists, I dont think there are really any
>> other color supremacists out there. but both are the same card. best to
>> focus on criminals instead of idiots and emotions because CNN told you to.
>> How would indicting trump have stopped yesterday or the mass shootings
>> under your god obama?
>>
>> You definitely shouldnt own firearms, I agree with you there.
>>
>> Seventy years ago, KKK was in full steam politicians were openly members,
>> racism was rampant and most every school had a boatload of firearms in the
>> lot and in the building. So your whole premise that this is a white problem
>> is just you being a racist bigot. There were little to no mass shootings or
>> school shootings.
>>
>> The moron in new york at least made it clear in his manifesto that was
>> pretty much plagiarized from the australian guy that this happens where it
>> happens because there are no guns there. he was very clear in that. Mass
>> shooters (gang members and the CNN image of the white kid) have one thing
>> in common, theyre cowards. They wont target armed areas, thats why schools
>> and gun free zones are what they like to hit (and the fact that the schools
>> abuse alot of these guys)
>>
>> The left fights for no guns, no borders, no consequense, no death
>> penalty, no accountability for things they like, and then they wonder why
>> the natural progression occurs. Thats why lieberalism is a mental illness.
>> victimology and cliche dont get the job done. never has, never will, fiddle
>> and watch burn
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ban all assault weapons...
>>> Normal folks don't need those...
>>> Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks..
>>> Go after white supremacist groups aggressively  ..
>>> Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What would you have them do?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>> I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun
>>>> supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
>>>> Tony Gonzales for one .
>>>> I call it as it is...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This has been building for decades and multiple administrations.  So
>>>>> why is it always the total fault of Republicans?  Are Democrats so 
>>>>> feckless
>>>>> they cannot do anything but whine raise taxes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people
>>>>> with assault weapons...they come here for a better life...
>>>>> You don't live near the border...
>>>>> You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist
>>>>> assholes...
>>>>> I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a
>>>>> grandfather of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
>>>>> Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro
>>>>> life my ass..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of
>>>>>> firearms we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats
>>>>>> fight very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see 
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> that turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be 
>>>>>> Compton
>>>>>> USA. Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot.
>>>>>> You dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and 
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every
>>>>>>> other country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals.
>>>>>>> Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring
>>>>>>> universal background checks means no more private sales without a
>>>>>>> background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks
>>>>>>> today when they should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm,
>>>>>>> this means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is 
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
>>>>>>> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
>>>>>>> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
>>>>>>> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
>>>>>>> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they 
>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
>>>>>>> firearm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal
>>>>>>> guns going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at 
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> other country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their
>>>>>>> statistics clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> works everywhere else, it WILL work here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too
>>>>>>> so if someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about 
>>>>>>> threats or
>>>>>>> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their 
>>>>>>> guns
>>>>>>> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> guns back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun
>>>>>>> is a good guy with a gun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never
>>>>>>> have access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming
>>>>>>> more people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. 
>>>>>>> Say
>>>>>>> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to 
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their 
>>>>>>> pistol
>>>>>>> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up 
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always 
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
>>>>>>> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. 
>>>>>>> Worse
>>>>>>> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
>>>>>>> firefight happening in church.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America
>>>>>>> getting rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but 
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> make guns a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card
>>>>>>> pictures all holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just 
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> guns and be private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping
>>>>>>> your weapons?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but
>>>>>>> have the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
>>>>>>> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a 
>>>>>>> gun
>>>>>>> and I support that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and
>>>>>>> police officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that 
>>>>>>> does is
>>>>>>> cost tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a 
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>> It may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20
>>>>>>> steps before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step 
>>>>>>> #1
>>>>>>> in preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed
>>>>>>> guards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence.
>>>>>>> Opinions, thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. 
>>>>>>> Supporting
>>>>>>> the gun lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun 
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
>>>>>>> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
>>>>>>> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
>>>>>>> democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help 
>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>> supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about
>>>>>>> science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading
>>>>>>> misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of 
>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>> into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God,
>>>>>>> indoctrination...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't
>>>>>>> stand up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party
>>>>>>> still spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the 
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> secure election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the 
>>>>>>> younger
>>>>>>> generation won't tolerate all the BS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as
>>>>>>> long as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't 
>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>> they are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> you want them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuck our piece of shit governor,  Trumpabbott and all his gun
>>>>>>>> loving supporters...
>>>>>>>> Fuck his press release...
>>>>>>>> These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
>>>>>>>> Trumputinsky,  Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to
>>>>>>>> hell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from
>>>>>>>>> the right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible 
>>>>>>>>> gun
>>>>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to
>>>>>>>>> be passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to
>>>>>>>>> do nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to 
>>>>>>>>> keep gun
>>>>>>>>> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun 
>>>>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing
>>>>>>>>> and shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your
>>>>>>>>> politicians and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn 
>>>>>>>>> joke.
>>>>>>>>> These mass shootings only happen in America.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion
>>>>>>>>> if your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do
>>>>>>>>>> compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled 
>>>>>>>>>> down on
>>>>>>>>>> both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used 
>>>>>>>>>> the hot
>>>>>>>>>> sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to 
>>>>>>>>>> dumping
>>>>>>>>>> hot mix on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was 
>>>>>>>>>> almost empty
>>>>>>>>>> so he sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> gravel empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as 
>>>>>>>>>> normally
>>>>>>>>>> they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean
>>>>>>>>>> up job where he emptied his sprayer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves
>>>>>>>>>> laying down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> shoulder with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in 
>>>>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>>>> for the year before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked 
>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>> UDOT can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less 
>>>>>>>>>> hazardous.
>>>>>>>>>> He told me to get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but it's organic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe
>>>>>>>>>> asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve
>>>>>>>>>> Jones
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the
>>>>>>>>>> benefits of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society 
>>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>> a 100 mile road, you would destroy your car every trip because there 
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be no single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. 
>>>>>>>>>> Sure we
>>>>>>>>>> have road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a 
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> road. And if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and 
>>>>>>>>>> you know
>>>>>>>>>> keith at mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I 
>>>>>>>>>> not a Y
>>>>>>>>>> and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are 
>>>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>>>> friendly, so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by
>>>>>>>>>> animals, paul at mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his 
>>>>>>>>>> road,
>>>>>>>>>> then Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders 
>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>> his mile.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone
>>>>>>>>>> else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> their arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to
>>>>>>>>>> not push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing 
>>>>>>>>>> through to
>>>>>>>>>> a fingerful of shit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and
>>>>>>>>>> the (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle 
>>>>>>>>>> land for
>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on
>>>>>>>>>> board.  I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my 
>>>>>>>>>> wallet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> …..and then I met the other libertarians.  Some I can relate with
>>>>>>>>>> and some others are absolutely insane.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially
>>>>>>>>>> identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like
>>>>>>>>>> Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's not a throwaway vote!!!!  You have to vote libertarian if
>>>>>>>>>> you want a libertarian!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky,
>>>>>>>>>> y’all need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
>>>>>>>>>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a 
>>>>>>>>>> throwaway
>>>>>>>>>> vote)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <
>>>>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone
>>>>>>>>>> could use some more grit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>>>>>>>>>> never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves 
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>>>>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker
>>>>>>>>>> that he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  
>>>>>>>>>> And I try
>>>>>>>>>> to teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they 
>>>>>>>>>> are my
>>>>>>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I 
>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a
>>>>>>>>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in 
>>>>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  
>>>>>>>>>> Look at
>>>>>>>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact
>>>>>>>>>> same reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line 
>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>> trying to advance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>>>>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from 
>>>>>>>>>> substance abuse
>>>>>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two 
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe 
>>>>>>>>>> around them
>>>>>>>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to
>>>>>>>>>> pass judgement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
>>>>>>>>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in 
>>>>>>>>>> Utah feel
>>>>>>>>>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family
>>>>>>>>>> dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>>>>>>>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and 
>>>>>>>>>> then at
>>>>>>>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a 
>>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>> hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Odd times....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they
>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our
>>>>>>>>>> families were separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the
>>>>>>>>>> exact same vernacular.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Sean Heskett
>>>>>>>>>>
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