That's how you work your way up, but seems theyve moved on to the state legislatures like dirty leftists
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > CNN: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit. > > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You are aware that gridlock was the design specification. If all parties >> cannot come to an amicable arrangement, nothing changes, as designed, keeps >> the field level. >> >> It had little to do with slavery, much like the civil war. It had to do >> with the experimental government that's designed to capsize and right >> itself eventually. The extremes we see now were by design, brought to >> equilibrium. Games suffer consequence. One president wants to push agenda >> so they dont appoint judges and rock the boat, expecting the agenda to push >> their party into another term. The agenda was too extreme and the party >> loses so the next party appoints those judges and their own. Tips the boat >> the other way. The next extremist comes along to push an agenda but cant >> get a majority, so the minority has the courts to overturn that extreme >> agenda. So on and so forth. >> Thank god the founders were smart enough to know democracy leads to >> different flavors of enslavement and didnt choose democracy. >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> An opinion I've seen popping up here and there is that gridlock is the >>> natural state of the US government. The president can veto the >>> legislature, the senate can override the president. The president can >>> issue orders to executive branch agencies, but only within the framework >>> created by the legislature. The court can override everybody, but the >>> court is appointed by the president, but only if the senate lets him. >>> That's without getting into procedural crap like the filibuster. >>> >>> You've got a lot of ways to shut something down, so unless you have >>> broad consensus on something it won't happen. It's a side effect of >>> compromises originally made to create a stalemate between slave holding >>> states and non-slave holding states. I don't think Trump accomplished any >>> big permanent wins. EO's and Court appointments, sure. I expect Biden to >>> also not accomplish much, and I expect stalemate to continue, except maybe >>> on specific issues that have broad appeal. Is this actually a problem, or >>> is it a useful feature? That's a serious question. I'm not 100% sure on >>> this. >>> >>> >>> On 11/20/2020 2:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>> Something that's become painfully obvious to me is that there are a huge >>> number of "norms" in the way that our government works, or pretends to >>> work. When someone steps outside of the "norms" and starts doing what's not >>> explicitly spelled out, a bunch of observers comment about how that's not >>> normal. Maybe we should codify what we think are norms unless we somehow >>> think it's going to make things worse? >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 11/20/2020 11:01 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote: >>> >>> I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught in >>> a system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk having no >>> impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is one >>> of the factors that has led us here. >>> >>> That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are driven >>> by the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and many >>> (most?) voters are driven by emotion. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Darin, >>>> >>>> And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in >>>> Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying >>>> money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the >>>> back and not really doing anything productive. >>>> >>>> We are at the point where people from either side are willing to >>>> destroy their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think any >>>> of them up there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. >>>> Because if they fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep. >>>> >>>> >>>> This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for >>>> "his" team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it". >>>> "WE", unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th chicken >>>> wing had a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it. >>>> >>>> These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the >>>> people. As long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we won't >>>> notice them accomplishing nothing. >>>> >>>> Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the people >>>> and OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two years. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a different >>>> way about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for everything. >>>> >>>> Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is. >>>> >>>> I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a >>>> Democrat. >>>> >>>> Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone other >>>> than white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, trans, >>>> different people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop trying to >>>> bring religion into Government. Have they not heard of separation of church >>>> and state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government issue. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he feels >>>> strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it means he >>>> has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm trying to >>>> think of a Democratic legislator who would break with party lines to agree >>>> with a Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is Romney a >>>> Unicorn in that respect? >>>> >>>> On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote: >>>> >>>> It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for >>>> me. Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a >>>> democrat but I really don't like what the republican congress has become >>>> besides Mitt. >>>> >>>> On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and that's >>>> part of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it. >>>> He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. About >>>> a million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue streams >>>> they set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that would imply >>>> something like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but it's >>>> pretty modest. Except guesses about his net worth range from $700mil to >>>> $7billion, and even he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's >>>> somewhere from terrible, to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill in >>>> the blanks with their own version. >>>> I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him >>>> speak, something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during >>>> his presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to be >>>> about symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka >>>> bullshitting). I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When it >>>> was Hillary Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's >>>> give this outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very clear >>>> that he doesn't know what to do with his office. >>>> I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it comes >>>> to the lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser. >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: >>>> >>>> Robert, >>>> >>>> You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business world. >>>> Just fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one has >>>> caught on to his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to get >>>> bigger idiots to back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years and >>>> years. Luckily for the IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the >>>> armchair accounts will be able to help the IRS do a proper audit. >>>> >>>> I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable >>>> person. But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his books >>>> look like or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky investments >>>> and deals over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I guess >>>> successful is a relative term. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped >>>> him up for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to >>>> roost. He has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why he >>>> wants to be in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and the >>>> IRS to convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to go >>>> under public review.. Could be interesting... >>>> >>>> On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>> Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes, >>>> Donald no. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>> Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>> >>>> Darin, >>>> >>>> Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a >>>> businessman not a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. He >>>> was going in to the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed the >>>> Washington wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and >>>> family. The man didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for >>>> impeachment before he was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big >>>> stink that they weren't even going to show for his inauguration being he >>>> was illegitimate. >>>> >>>> Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't >>>> support him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't >>>> know the unwritten rules of Washington. >>>> >>>> The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for >>>> months Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and >>>> Trump hates them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it >>>> was just a big game for them. >>>> >>>> He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was >>>> against him, except for the people that voted for him. >>>> >>>> Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from being >>>> the devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people voted to >>>> keep him in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of uneducated >>>> rednecks, but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular belief, he did >>>> do some good things. HBC got multi-year funding. He didn't start any new >>>> wars. >>>> >>>> I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was >>>> talking about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He >>>> made a very interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know >>>> him. If they only listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of >>>> him. The exact same thing can be said about Trump. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace >>>> to the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied, >>>> tweeted, and lied for his entire term. >>>> >>>> If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all >>>> news to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our >>>> allies, and shared hateful conspiracy theories. >>>> >>>> He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do >>>> something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than >>>> any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges. >>>> >>>> He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't >>>> show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead. >>>> >>>> He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to >>>> bend the knee. >>>> >>>> I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. >>>> We needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but >>>> not in a good way. >>>> >>>> Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about >>>> every American, not just their base. >>>> >>>> Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a >>>> shirt that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS >>>> >>>> Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local >>>> Hyvee with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok >>>> to wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still >>>> disrespectful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should >>>> have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would have >>>> ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not >>>> saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may >>>> have had not to deal with this bullshit. >>>> >>>> If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with >>>> the non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared >>>> an illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time >>>> "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would >>>> be watching cities burn right now. >>>> >>>> If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp >>>> would be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really >>>> think Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream >>>> media would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for >>>> Trump. They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true >>>> and not debated. No winner would be declared yet. >>>> >>>> When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. >>>> That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more people >>>> voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this >>>> time around. >>>> >>>> Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing >>>> outcome? Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing >>>> outcome? On the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we >>>> aren't seeing the riots. >>>> >>>> This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the >>>> last election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference is >>>> at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing >>>> day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting >>>> depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for >>>> cancer, it would have been spun as bad news. >>>> >>>> Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. >>>> Life in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News will >>>> move right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was >>>> on Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they >>>> will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe. >>>> >>>> The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into >>>> our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2 >>>> years to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate >>>> majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years. >>>> >>>> Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change >>>> that much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. >>>> Maybe some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. >>>> Maybe another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed >>>> legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent >>>> was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court. >>>> >>>> >>>> But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud >>>> >>>> Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you >>>> claim is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again. >>>> >>>> Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting >>>> quite heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting >>>> their breath on these baseless claims. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard >>>> and stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the >>>> judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts. >>>> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html >>>> except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well >>>> >>>> https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ >>>> your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges >>>> ruled on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied? >>>> >>>> just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something >>>> "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent >>>> pushing a russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered >>>> without evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run >>>> with said narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of >>>> putting rudy and joe in the spotlight >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You >>>> won't be able to because in every case so far, there have been poll >>>> watchers inside watching the count in every precinct. >>>> >>>> You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit >>>> trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers >>>> already inside. They put up cardboard because the people outside were being >>>> distracting. >>>> >>>> Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll >>>> watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked >>>> because you don't need any more inside a building than already existed. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"? >>>> >>>> Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay >>>> more attention to clowns than they deserve. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> bp >>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE >>>> >>>> It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from >>>> over. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so thats >>>> not really much of a thing anymore >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when >>>> clearly he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or what, >>>> but he needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not >>>> making a fool of himself for the world to see. Of course he’s always been >>>> a little off, look at his marriage history. I assume since he was a lawyer >>>> and mayor he wasn’t always like this. Or maybe he was. Again, the >>>> marriage history. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>> >>>> I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said and >>>> done we go the way of canada on electronic voting. then we put cameras >>>> >>>
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