CNN: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are aware that gridlock was the design specification. If all parties
> cannot come to an amicable arrangement, nothing changes, as designed, keeps
> the field level.
>
> It had little to do with slavery, much like the civil war. It had to do
> with the experimental government that's designed to capsize and right
> itself eventually. The extremes we see now were by design, brought to
> equilibrium. Games suffer consequence. One president wants to push agenda
> so they dont appoint judges and rock the boat, expecting the agenda to push
> their party into another term. The agenda was too extreme and the party
> loses so the next party appoints those judges and their own. Tips the boat
> the other way. The next extremist comes along to push an agenda but cant
> get a majority, so the minority has the courts to overturn that extreme
> agenda. So on and so forth.
> Thank god the founders were smart enough to know democracy leads to
> different flavors of enslavement and didnt choose democracy.
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> An opinion I've seen popping up here and there is that gridlock is the
>> natural state of the US government. The president can veto the
>> legislature, the senate can override the president. The president can
>> issue orders to executive branch agencies, but only within the framework
>> created by the legislature. The court can override everybody, but the
>> court is appointed by the president, but only if the senate lets him.
>> That's without getting into procedural crap like the filibuster.
>>
>> You've got a lot of ways to shut something down, so unless you have broad
>> consensus on something it won't happen. It's a side effect of compromises
>> originally made to create a stalemate between slave holding states and
>> non-slave holding states. I don't think Trump accomplished any big
>> permanent wins. EO's and Court appointments, sure. I expect Biden to also
>> not accomplish much, and I expect stalemate to continue, except maybe on
>> specific issues that have broad appeal. Is this actually a problem, or is
>> it a useful feature? That's a serious question. I'm not 100% sure on
>> this.
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/2020 2:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Something that's become painfully obvious to me is that there are a huge
>> number of "norms" in the way that our government works, or pretends to
>> work. When someone steps outside of the "norms" and starts doing what's not
>> explicitly spelled out, a bunch of observers comment about how that's not
>> normal. Maybe we should codify what we think are norms unless we somehow
>> think it's going to make things worse?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 11/20/2020 11:01 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>>
>> I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught in a
>> system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk having no
>> impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is one
>> of the factors that has led us here.
>>
>> That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are driven
>> by the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and many
>> (most?) voters are driven by emotion.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Darin,
>>>
>>> And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in
>>> Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying
>>> money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the
>>> back and not really doing anything productive.
>>>
>>> We are at the point where people from either side are willing to destroy
>>> their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think any of them
>>> up there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. Because if
>>> they fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for
>>> "his" team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it".
>>> "WE", unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th chicken
>>> wing had a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it.
>>>
>>> These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the people.
>>> As long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we won't notice
>>> them accomplishing nothing.
>>>
>>> Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the people
>>> and OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a different
>>> way about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for everything.
>>>
>>> Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is.
>>>
>>> I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a
>>> Democrat.
>>>
>>> Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone other
>>> than white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, trans,
>>> different people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop trying to
>>> bring religion into Government. Have they not heard of separation of church
>>> and state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government issue.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he feels
>>> strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it means he
>>> has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm trying to
>>> think of a Democratic legislator who would break with party lines to agree
>>> with a Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is Romney a
>>> Unicorn in that respect?
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for me.
>>> Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a democrat
>>> but I really don't like what the republican congress has become besides
>>> Mitt.
>>>
>>> On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and that's
>>> part of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it.
>>> He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. About a
>>> million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue streams
>>> they set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that would imply
>>> something like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but it's
>>> pretty modest. Except guesses about his net worth range from $700mil to
>>> $7billion, and even he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's
>>> somewhere from terrible, to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill in
>>> the blanks with their own version.
>>> I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him
>>> speak, something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during
>>> his presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to be
>>> about symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka
>>> bullshitting). I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When it
>>> was Hillary Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's
>>> give this outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very clear
>>> that he doesn't know what to do with his office.
>>> I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it comes
>>> to the lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser.
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business world.
>>> Just fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one has
>>> caught on to his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to get
>>> bigger idiots to back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years and
>>> years. Luckily for the IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the
>>> armchair accounts will be able to help the IRS do a proper audit.
>>>
>>> I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable
>>> person. But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his books
>>> look like or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky investments
>>> and deals over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I guess
>>> successful is a relative term.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped
>>> him up for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to
>>> roost. He has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why he
>>> wants to be in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and the
>>> IRS to convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to go
>>> under public review.. Could be interesting...
>>>
>>> On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>> Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes,
>>> Donald no.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>>
>>> Darin,
>>>
>>> Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a
>>> businessman not a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. He
>>> was going in to the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed the
>>> Washington wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and
>>> family. The man didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for
>>> impeachment before he was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big
>>> stink that they weren't even going to show for his inauguration being he
>>> was illegitimate.
>>>
>>> Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't
>>> support him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't
>>> know the unwritten rules of Washington.
>>>
>>> The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for
>>> months Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and
>>> Trump hates them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it
>>> was just a big game for them.
>>>
>>> He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was
>>> against him, except for the people that voted for him.
>>>
>>> Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from being
>>> the devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people voted to
>>> keep him in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of uneducated
>>> rednecks, but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular belief, he did
>>> do some good things. HBC got multi-year funding. He didn't start any new
>>> wars.
>>>
>>> I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was talking
>>> about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He made a
>>> very interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know him. If
>>> they only listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of him. The
>>> exact same thing can be said about Trump.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace
>>> to the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied,
>>> tweeted, and lied for his entire term.
>>>
>>> If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all
>>> news to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our
>>> allies, and shared hateful conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>> He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do
>>> something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than
>>> any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges.
>>>
>>> He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't
>>> show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead.
>>>
>>> He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to
>>> bend the knee.
>>>
>>> I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. We
>>> needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but not
>>> in a good way.
>>>
>>> Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about
>>> every American, not just their base.
>>>
>>> Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a shirt
>>> that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS
>>>
>>> Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local
>>> Hyvee with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok
>>> to wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still
>>> disrespectful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should
>>> have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would have
>>> ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not
>>> saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may
>>> have had not to deal with this bullshit.
>>>
>>> If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with
>>> the non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared
>>> an illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time
>>> "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would
>>> be watching cities burn right now.
>>>
>>> If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp would
>>> be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really think
>>> Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream media
>>> would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for Trump.
>>> They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true and not
>>> debated. No winner would be declared yet.
>>>
>>> When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes.
>>> That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more people
>>> voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this
>>> time around.
>>>
>>> Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing outcome?
>>> Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing outcome? On
>>> the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we aren't seeing
>>> the riots.
>>>
>>> This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the
>>> last election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference is
>>> at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing
>>> day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting
>>> depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for
>>> cancer, it would have been spun as bad news.
>>>
>>> Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows.
>>> Life in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News will
>>> move right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was
>>> on Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they
>>> will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe.
>>>
>>> The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into
>>> our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2
>>> years to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate
>>> majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years.
>>>
>>> Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change that
>>> much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. Maybe
>>> some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. Maybe
>>> another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed
>>> legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent
>>> was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court.
>>>
>>>
>>> But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud
>>>
>>> Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you
>>> claim is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again.
>>>
>>> Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting
>>> quite heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting
>>> their breath on these baseless claims.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard and
>>> stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the
>>> judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts.
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html
>>> except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well
>>>
>>> https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/
>>> your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges
>>> ruled on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied?
>>>
>>> just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something
>>> "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent
>>> pushing a russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered
>>> without evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run
>>> with said narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of
>>> putting rudy and joe in the spotlight
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You
>>> won't be able to because in every case so far, there have been poll
>>> watchers inside watching the count in every precinct.
>>>
>>> You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit
>>> trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers
>>> already inside. They put up cardboard because the people outside were being
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll
>>> watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked
>>> because you don't need any more inside a building than already existed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"?
>>>
>>> Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay more
>>> attention to clowns than they deserve.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE
>>>
>>> It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from
>>> over.
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so thats
>>> not really much of a thing anymore
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when clearly
>>> he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or what, but he
>>> needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not making a
>>> fool of himself for the world to see. Of course he’s always been a little
>>> off, look at his marriage history. I assume since he was a lawyer and
>>> mayor he wasn’t always like this. Or maybe he was. Again, the marriage
>>> history.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>>
>>> I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said and
>>> done we go the way of canada on electronic voting. then we put cameras
>>> recording the count tables. Golden and no need for recounts or weird people
>>> like this team of lunatics having crazy press conferences. I think the
>>> media sent their interns instead of reporters
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at
>>>
>>
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