They should ask Reddit to decide. https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:29 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what they saw at the exact same polling place. I do see general agreement on the events though. A volunteer busybody follows people around and questions everything they do. They get annoyed and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor". The Democratic challenger says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory questions. Also racism." The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got all douchey about it. Also I was intimidated/oppressed." On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote: That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion. Kind of apropos though. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim. On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things attributed to it. It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship, freedom, service pricing, etc. The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization. All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management". Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one. So the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization. I've never been convinced that the rule was necessary. It seemed like a rule saying ISP's can't build moon rockets....like ok I'll stop my Apollo project immediately. The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was ever breaking them My only concern was Title II status could open the door on additional rules that might be more onerous later. On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or peering ports. Why force your competition to be less bad? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Darin Steffl" <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before. It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be good (better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become congested for example. On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote: On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how > the next administration could affect WISPs. Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a > new Chairman (woman?). Will Net Neutrality and Title II return? Does > it matter? > Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it change anything I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. 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