Repeal citizens united. It's pretty simple really, it has to become a
headline issue though.
On Friday, November 20, 2020, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with that. I do not in any way see how a corporation can be
> considered "people". Doesn't that give the constituents behind a
> corporation outsized influence (because corporations are made of people who
> theoretically represent themselves)?
>
> The way it is now (partly or largely because of Citizens United), money
> equals speech. Except that if you don't have money, you get no voice. That
> is fundamentally broken, and I don't see how we get out of that.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/20/2020 11:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Citizens United created a problem.
>
>
>
> Primaries also create a big problem, whether for “safe” or contested
> seats. Candidates must cater to the extreme wing of their party or get
> “primaried” from the fringe. So if each party is 50%, and the extreme left
> and right are 50% of that, you get the candidate that appealed to the 25%.
> Even if center-right plus center-left is 50%, they don’t matter, because of
> the 2 party system and the primary system.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Chuck Macenski
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
>
>
> I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught in a
> system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk having no
> impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is one
> of the factors that has led us here.
>
>
>
> That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are driven
> by the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and many
> (most?) voters are driven by emotion.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Darin,
>
> And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in
> Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying
> money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the
> back and not really doing anything productive.
>
> We are at the point where people from either side are willing to destroy
> their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think any of them
> up there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. Because if
> they fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep.
>
>
> This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for
> "his" team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it".
> "WE", unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th chicken
> wing had a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it.
>
> These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the people.
> As long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we won't notice
> them accomplishing nothing.
>
> Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the people and
> OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two years.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> ------
>
> Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote:
>
> Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a different
> way about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for everything.
>
> Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is.
>
> I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a
> Democrat.
>
> Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone other
> than white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, trans,
> different people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop trying to
> bring religion into Government. Have they not heard of separation of church
> and state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government issue.
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he feels
> strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it means he
> has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm trying to
> think of a Democratic legislator who would break with party lines to agree
> with a Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is Romney a
> Unicorn in that respect?
>
> On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for me.
> Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a democrat
> but I really don't like what the republican congress has become besides
> Mitt.
>
> On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and that's
> part of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it.
> He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. About a
> million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue streams
> they set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that would imply
> something like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but it's
> pretty modest. Except guesses about his net worth range from $700mil to
> $7billion, and even he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's
> somewhere from terrible, to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill in
> the blanks with their own version.
> I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him
> speak, something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during
> his presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to be
> about symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka
> bullshitting). I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When it
> was Hillary Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's
> give this outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very clear
> that he doesn't know what to do with his office.
> I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it comes to
> the lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser.
> -Adam
>
>
> On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business world.
> Just fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one has
> caught on to his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to get
> bigger idiots to back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years and
> years. Luckily for the IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the
> armchair accounts will be able to help the IRS do a proper audit.
>
> I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable person.
> But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his books look like
> or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky investments and deals
> over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I guess successful
> is a relative term.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> ------
>
> Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote:
>
> Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped him
> up for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to roost.
> He has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why he wants
> to be in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and the IRS to
> convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to go under
> public review.. Could be interesting...
>
> On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
> Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes,
> Donald no.
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> Darin,
>
> Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a businessman
> not a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. He was going in
> to the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed the Washington
> wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and family. The
> man didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for impeachment before
> he was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big stink that they
> weren't even going to show for his inauguration being he was illegitimate.
>
> Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't support
> him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't know the
> unwritten rules of Washington.
>
> The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for months
> Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and Trump
> hates them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it was just
> a big game for them.
>
> He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was
> against him, except for the people that voted for him.
>
> Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from being the
> devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people voted to keep
> him in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of uneducated
> rednecks, but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular belief, he did
> do some good things. HBC got multi-year funding. He didn't start any new
> wars.
>
> I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was talking
> about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He made a
> very interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know him. If
> they only listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of him. The
> exact same thing can be said about Trump.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> ------
>
> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote:
>
> The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace to
> the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied,
> tweeted, and lied for his entire term.
>
> If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all news
> to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our allies,
> and shared hateful conspiracy theories.
>
> He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do
> something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than
> any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges.
>
> He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't
> show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead.
>
> He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to bend
> the knee.
>
> I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. We
> needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but not
> in a good way.
>
> Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about
> every American, not just their base.
>
> Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a shirt
> that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS
>
> Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local Hyvee
> with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok to
> wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still
> disrespectful.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should have
> been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would have
> ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not
> saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may
> have had not to deal with this bullshit.
>
> If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with the
> non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared an
> illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time
> "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would
> be watching cities burn right now.
>
> If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp would
> be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really think
> Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream media
> would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for Trump.
> They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true and not
> debated. No winner would be declared yet.
>
> When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. That
> is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more people
> voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this
> time around.
>
> Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing outcome?
> Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing outcome? On
> the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we aren't seeing
> the riots.
>
> This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the
> last election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference is
> at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing
> day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting
> depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for
> cancer, it would have been spun as bad news.
>
> Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. Life
> in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News will move
> right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was on
> Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they
> will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe.
>
> The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into our
> heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2 years
> to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate
> majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years.
>
> Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change that
> much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. Maybe
> some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. Maybe
> another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed
> legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent
> was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court.
>
>
> But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
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>
> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-
> dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud
>
> Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you claim
> is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again.
>
> Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting quite
> heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting their
> breath on these baseless claims.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard and
> stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the
> judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts.
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-
> covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html
> except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well
> https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-
> court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-
> ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/
> your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges ruled
> on something
>
>
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