I saw this illustration for a news article and it took me quite awhile to realize the one person is pointing a thermometer at the other person, not a gun.
-----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning Charge me, please. When I finally got out of the building (it was dark by then) during the robbery (guy was still inside, had killed a customer) the cops didn't know if I was the bad guy or not. They frisked me pretty good and levitated me over to a command center. I was so happy to be groped and dragged and jerked around I would have thanked them for beating me with a billy club. That is how relieved I was to get out of there. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 1:58 PM To: <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning According to this, pepper spray is illegal, but bear spray is not. That said, if you use it as a weapon, you are probably going to be charged. <https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/> https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/ bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 7/10/2020 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > Can you legally use that on people? > > Bill Prince wrote: >> >> My wife is a big advocate of bear spray (Industrial strength pepper >> spray). I do not know what the long term risks are to exposure to >> this stuff, but the nice thing is that it can shoot a fairly long >> distance (up to 40') and you can correct for aim while you're >> spraying. The one she has is Counter Assault. >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ> >> https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ >> 76JI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1594408467&sr=8-2 >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 7/10/2020 11:39 AM, <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> If you have your fight or flight mechanism triggered, I don’t think >>> you should lose your life just because you reacted out of fear. >>> But man, how do you write regulations around these things and how do >>> you condition cops to not protect their own lives in certain situations too. >>> They also get scared.... >>> Tough one. Great Britain banned beat cops from carrying handguns >>> years ago. Not sure if that is still in effect. >>> A really effective less than lethal would be great. Perhaps >>> something that rends someone temporarily blind or confused or unconscious. >>> Maybe the right frequency of microwaves modulated at some kind of >>> brain wave frequency could do it. >>> Anyone want to volunteer for testing? >>> *From:* Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 12:14 PM >>> *To:* <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning >>> >>> He fired the taser when they were in close contact (taser is now done). >>> He then broke away and started running. Officer shot him in the back >>> a long time after the taser had been discharged. Doesn't matter what >>> he did with the taser at that point because it had been discharged. >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 7/10/2020 10:21 AM, Charles Boening wrote: >>>> >>>> In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other >>>> officer. A taser that hadn’t been fired. He turned and shot that >>>> taser at the office which prompted the office to shoot back. You >>>> can see that in the video. >>>> >>>> Not saying it was justified or not. Just the fact that the suspect >>>> even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer. >>>> >>>> As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is >>>> running away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm >>>> towards the officer giving chase. You can still have your back to >>>> the officer giving chase yet present a threat to that officer. >>>> >>>> Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a >>>> training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high. Also note that >>>> you can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has. Is it real or fake? >>>> Can’t really tell. >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> >>>> *Charles Boening* >>>> >>>> /Network Manager/ >>>> >>>> 800-858-2399 | Office >>>> >>>> <mailto:charl...@calore.net> charl...@calore.net >>>> >>>> <http://www.cot.net> www.cot.net < <http://www.cot.net/> >>>> http://www.cot.net/> | Find us on Facebook >>>> < <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cal-Ore/205066716227707> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cal-Ore/205066716227707> >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> >>>> *Cal-Ore* | /Local. Trusted. Professional./ >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >>>> mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill >>>> Prince >>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 9:48 AM >>>> *To:* <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning >>>> >>>> EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking >>>> links, or sharing sensitive information. >>>> >>>> I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in >>>> general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some >>>> time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I >>>> have a nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time. >>>> >>>> One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting >>>> arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most >>>> tasers are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only >>>> "weapon" >>>> characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That individual >>>> was running away, and was shot in the back. Was that justified? I >>>> would have a hard time accepting that as a justified homicide. But >>>> that is only one example. >>>> >>>> With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is >>>> going to come up more and more. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law >>>> enforcement. >>>> >>>> And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no >>>> clear answers. >>>> >>>> A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a >>>> reported armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running. >>>> >>>> He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps >>>> running, should he be shot? >>>> >>>> I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or >>>> whatever. He may turn the gun on the cops. >>>> >>>> I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the >>>> cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”. >>>> >>>> We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back. >>>> Cops were found to have done no wrong. >>>> >>>> People are understandably upset. >>>> >>>> A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by >>>> cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and >>>> killed him. >>>> >>>> I presume the same justifications apply. >>>> >>>> I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading >>>> the cops. >>>> >>>> I wonder how other countries confront the same problem. >>>> >>>> If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should >>>> they be shot? >>>> >>>> I was only truly scared once in my life. Was in a bank robbery. >>>> >>>> I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a >>>> bit when you are really scared. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> AF@af.afmug.com >>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> > -- AF mailing list <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> AF@af.afmug.com <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> AF@af.afmug.com <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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