According to this, pepper spray is illegal, but bear spray is not. That
said, if you use it as a weapon, you are probably going to be charged.
https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/
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On 7/10/2020 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Can you legally use that on people?
Bill Prince wrote:
My wife is a big advocate of bear spray (Industrial strength pepper
spray). I do not know what the long term risks are to exposure to
this stuff, but the nice thing is that it can shoot a fairly long
distance (up to 40') and you can correct for aim while you're
spraying. The one she has is Counter Assault.
https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ76JI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1594408467&sr=8-2
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On 7/10/2020 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
If you have your fight or flight mechanism triggered, I don’t think
you should lose your life just because you reacted out of fear.
But man, how do you write regulations around these things and how do
you condition cops to not protect their own lives in certain
situations too.
They also get scared....
Tough one. Great Britain banned beat cops from carrying handguns
years ago. Not sure if that is still in effect.
A really effective less than lethal would be great. Perhaps
something that rends someone temporarily blind or confused or
unconscious.
Maybe the right frequency of microwaves modulated at some kind of
brain wave frequency could do it.
Anyone want to volunteer for testing?
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He fired the taser when they were in close contact (taser is now
done). He then broke away and started running. Officer shot him in
the back a long time after the taser had been discharged. Doesn't
matter what he did with the taser at that point because it had been
discharged.
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On 7/10/2020 10:21 AM, Charles Boening wrote:
In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other
officer. A taser that hadn’t been fired. He turned and shot that
taser at the office which prompted the office to shoot back. You
can see that in the video.
Not saying it was justified or not. Just the fact that the suspect
even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer.
As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is
running away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm
towards the officer giving chase. You can still have your back to
the officer giving chase yet present a threat to that officer.
Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a
training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high. Also note that
you can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has. Is it real or
fake? Can’t really tell.
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I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in
general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some
time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I
have a nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.
One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting
arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most
tasers are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the
only "weapon" characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile.
That individual was running away, and was shot in the back. Was
that justified? I would have a hard time accepting that as a
justified homicide. But that is only one example.
With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is
going to come up more and more.
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On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law
enforcement.
And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no
clear answers.
A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a
reported armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.
He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps
running, should he be shot?
I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or
whatever. He may turn the gun on the cops.
I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the
cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.
Cops were found to have done no wrong.
People are understandably upset.
A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by
cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and
killed him.
I presume the same justifications apply.
I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
the cops.
I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
they be shot?
I was only truly scared once in my life. Was in a bank robbery.
I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a
bit when you are really scared.
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