Charge me, please. When I finally got out of the building (it was dark by
then) during the robbery (guy was still inside, had killed a customer) the
cops didn't know if I was the bad guy or not. They frisked me pretty good
and levitated me over to a command center. I was so happy to be groped and
dragged and jerked around I would have thanked them for beating me with a
billy club. That is how relieved I was to get out of there.
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From: Bill Prince
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According to this, pepper spray is illegal, but bear spray is not. That
said, if you use it as a weapon, you are probably going to be charged.
https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/whats-the-difference-between-bear-spray-and-pepper-spray/
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On 7/10/2020 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Can you legally use that on people?
Bill Prince wrote:
My wife is a big advocate of bear spray (Industrial strength pepper
spray). I do not know what the long term risks are to exposure to this
stuff, but the nice thing is that it can shoot a fairly long distance (up
to 40') and you can correct for aim while you're spraying. The one she
has is Counter Assault.
https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Assault-CA-18H-SB-10-2-Ounce/dp/B001DQ76JI/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1594408467&sr=8-2
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On 7/10/2020 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
If you have your fight or flight mechanism triggered, I don’t think you
should lose your life just because you reacted out of fear.
But man, how do you write regulations around these things and how do you
condition cops to not protect their own lives in certain situations too.
They also get scared....
Tough one. Great Britain banned beat cops from carrying handguns years
ago. Not sure if that is still in effect.
A really effective less than lethal would be great. Perhaps something
that rends someone temporarily blind or confused or unconscious.
Maybe the right frequency of microwaves modulated at some kind of brain
wave frequency could do it.
Anyone want to volunteer for testing?
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He fired the taser when they were in close contact (taser is now done).
He then broke away and started running. Officer shot him in the back a
long time after the taser had been discharged. Doesn't matter what he
did with the taser at that point because it had been discharged.
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On 7/10/2020 10:21 AM, Charles Boening wrote:
In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other officer. A
taser that hadn’t been fired. He turned and shot that taser at the
office which prompted the office to shoot back. You can see that in
the video.
Not saying it was justified or not. Just the fact that the suspect
even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer.
As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is running
away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm towards the
officer giving chase. You can still have your back to the officer
giving chase yet present a threat to that officer.
Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a
training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high. Also note that you
can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has. Is it real or fake?
Can’t really tell.
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I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in
general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some
time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a
nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.
One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting
arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers
are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only "weapon"
characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That individual was
running away, and was shot in the back. Was that justified? I would
have a hard time accepting that as a justified homicide. But that is
only one example.
With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is
going to come up more and more.
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On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law
enforcement.
And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no
clear answers.
A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a
reported armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.
He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps
running, should he be shot?
I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or
whatever. He may turn the gun on the cops.
I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the
cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back. Cops
were found to have done no wrong.
People are understandably upset.
A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by
cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and
killed him.
I presume the same justifications apply.
I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
the cops.
I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
they be shot?
I was only truly scared once in my life. Was in a bank robbery.
I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a
bit when you are really scared.
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