You better get off the list and into a horse and buggy! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Yeahbut, I am an old landline and analog trunk guy. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 8:56 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink > > You realize we only talk on VoIP lines and cell phones right? That's got > to be the 150-200 ms range. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> According to the interwebs: >> >> Similarly, the G.114 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.114> recommendation >> regarding mouth-to-ear delay indicates that most users are "very satisfied" >> as long as latency does not exceed 200 ms, with an according *R* of 90+. >> Codec choice also plays an important role; the highest quality (and highest >> bandwidth) codecs like G.711 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.711> are >> usually configured to incur the least encode-decode latency, so on a >> network with sufficient throughput sub-100 ms latencies can be achieved. >> G.711 at a bitrate of 64 kbit/s is the encoding method predominantly used >> on the public switched telephone network >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_switched_telephone_network>. >> >> I would not be “very satisfied” at 200ms. I would want to find a land >> line at 200 ms. Not sure who they poll for this stuff but I have actually >> worked on circuits doing these types of evaluations in the early 1990s. >> 100 ms sucks. Once you hit 50 ms I start to lose the ability to detect >> latency. At 20 ms nobody can tell. >> >> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 8:42 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> If the satellite is directly overhead you have 1.8 ms one way time of >> flight. >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 8:38 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> >> If we are to believe Elon, they are talking 20ms in the beta, and lower >> thna that when they get a more fully populated constellation. >> >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> On 6/26/2020 7:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> 70 ms is crappy for gaming and voice. >> Snow accumulation is a real thing here. >> I can provide 1G to each customer and can go to 2.5 or 10G with a move of >> a fiber jumper. >> >> Just trying to be a cheerleader. >> >> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 8:23 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> >> Don’t rest on your laurels, >> >> >> >> -The antenna is not that big, its about 18-20 inches. >> >> -Latency is pretty low, below 70ms roundtrip >> >> -Speeds would be about 100-500 Mbps to the end user >> >> -Fade margin in not that bad with sats being close to the ground. >> >> >> >> Price of hardware will evantually come down with mass volume from >> Starlink and other LEO players. This could disrupt broadband internet as >> we know it. >> >> >> >> *Gino* >> *Villarini *Founder/President >> @gvillarini >> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500] >> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo] >> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> [image: insta-logo] >> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> [image: in-logo] >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> [image: >> tw-logo] >> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >> [image: yt-logo] >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >> <https://bit.ly/BBoffer1> >> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >> >> *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown >> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Date: *Friday, June 26, 2020 at 10:08 AM >> *To: *af mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> >> >> They will have trees and snow to worry about. >> >> I am sure it will not be super cheap either. >> >> People don’t like antennas on their houses (sorry wisps but I do fiber >> now). >> >> >> >> I am not worried, but I was not worried about Covid either... >> >> >> >> *From:* Steven Kenney >> >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 8:03 AM >> >> *To:* af >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> >> >> Anyone worried this could put us out of business? I'm not really because >> I don't care how hot your signal is, you'll be going over 100KM into >> space. No way they'll get stable latency. >> >> >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"David Coudron" mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com >> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, June 26, 2020 9:56:09 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> >> >> We had done some poking around to see about the same thing about 2 months >> ago. We didn’t find much, but we’d be pretty interested in seeing of this >> is a possibility. We are wondering if it would be more feasible/cheaper >> than building out a new tower site for 2-3 subscribers surrounded by trees >> and will be the most the tower will every have on it. Or if you can make >> any money on it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> David Coudron >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney >> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 8:48 AM >> *To:* af mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Starlink >> >> >> >> Anyone looking into starlink to see if you can partner with them? I >> heard there may be a way of being a reseller or to lease bandwidth through >> their system. 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