Yeahbut, I am an old landline and analog trunk guy.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
You realize we only talk on VoIP lines and cell phones right? That's got to be
the 150-200 ms range.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:50 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
According to the interwebs:
Similarly, the G.114 recommendation regarding mouth-to-ear delay indicates
that most users are "very satisfied" as long as latency does not exceed 200 ms,
with an according R of 90+. Codec choice also plays an important role; the
highest quality (and highest bandwidth) codecs like G.711 are usually
configured to incur the least encode-decode latency, so on a network with
sufficient throughput sub-100 ms latencies can be achieved. G.711 at a bitrate
of 64 kbit/s is the encoding method predominantly used on the public switched
telephone network.
I would not be “very satisfied” at 200ms. I would want to find a land line
at 200 ms. Not sure who they poll for this stuff but I have actually worked on
circuits doing these types of evaluations in the early 1990s. 100 ms sucks.
Once you hit 50 ms I start to lose the ability to detect latency. At 20 ms
nobody can tell.
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
If the satellite is directly overhead you have 1.8 ms one way time of flight.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
If we are to believe Elon, they are talking 20ms in the beta, and lower thna
that when they get a more fully populated constellation.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 6/26/2020 7:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
70 ms is crappy for gaming and voice.
Snow accumulation is a real thing here.
I can provide 1G to each customer and can go to 2.5 or 10G with a move of a
fiber jumper.
Just trying to be a cheerleader.
From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
Don’t rest on your laurels,
-The antenna is not that big, its about 18-20 inches.
-Latency is pretty low, below 70ms roundtrip
-Speeds would be about 100-500 Mbps to the end user
-Fade margin in not that bad with sats being close to the ground.
Price of hardware will evantually come down with mass volume from Starlink
and other LEO players. This could disrupt broadband internet as we know it.
Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 10:08 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
They will have trees and snow to worry about.
I am sure it will not be super cheap either.
People don’t like antennas on their houses (sorry wisps but I do fiber now).
I am not worried, but I was not worried about Covid either...
From: Steven Kenney
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:03 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
Anyone worried this could put us out of business? I'm not really because I
don't care how hot your signal is, you'll be going over 100KM into space. No
way they'll get stable latency.
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
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From: "David Coudron" mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 9:56:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink
We had done some poking around to see about the same thing about 2 months
ago. We didn’t find much, but we’d be pretty interested in seeing of this is a
possibility. We are wondering if it would be more feasible/cheaper than
building out a new tower site for 2-3 subscribers surrounded by trees and will
be the most the tower will every have on it. Or if you can make any money on
it.
Regards,
David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:48 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Starlink
Anyone looking into starlink to see if you can partner with them? I heard
there may be a way of being a reseller or to lease bandwidth through their
system. I'd like to find out more information.
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
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