I worked on the Stanford campus in the 70's.. saw and talked to
Shockley on a semi-daily basis. Had no idea of the idiocy that he
supported. Just seemed like a very aloof guy but liked to chat... Yeah
we are in an age where these people are getting to say what they used to
have to hide...
On 6/12/20 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Professors are a mixed lot. I took a course from this guy, who
apparently is still teaching although he would be well into his 80’s now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Butz
I had no idea at the time he was a Holocaust denier. I’ve never
understood those people – my dad was in the Army in WWII and
participated in liberating some concentration camps. I mean, it’s a
freakin’ fact, how can you deny facts. Anyway, my recollection of
Professor Butz was I had a friend who kept writing the name as “Prof.
Butts” on his assignments and tests. We kept telling him it was
spelled Butz but he thought we were joking. Brings new meaning to the
expression “butt of a joke”.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
Were you in the same class as I was? We had the same professor, I
think.. Drove me off the deep end... Specially when he blocked the
equations with his body as he erased!! But we had this one other
assoc-prof.. Name of Jim Clark.. He was wild, specially when he
went into game theory and betting systems.. Yep that Clark. Worked
for him 20 years later...
On 6/12/20 8:44 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Oh man. I was doing great in calculus until we got to differential
equations. I blame the professor. Harry Blackman. What a terrible
professor! He lectured with his back to the class and wrote on the
blackboard; chalk in his outstretched right hand, and eraser in
his outstretched left hand. He would write equations as he droned,
and erased the information in the space between his hands. What a
horrible experience that was!
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 6/12/2020 8:22 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
See, I only cared about the digital stuff. Though power,
motors, etc. were pretty cool as well. Grades were good in
those classes.
Senior project the advisor dinged me for building a system for
a plant out of a microcontroller instead of using a PLC like
he suggested. But I want to do Microcontrollers. Yep,
first job was building industrial control systems with PLC’s.
I’m guessing I was a completely cocky bastard as a 21 year
old. Perhaps someday I’ll grow out of that. Or not.
Heh, calculus. My last all night study session managed to
turn a perfectly good B+ in differential equations into a D.
Walked in to that exam and drew a complete blank. Should have
just slept, probably would have aced it.
Mark
On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Those were the ONLY classes I cared about. Got A’s in all
things antenna and RF.
Got A’s in most of the linear stuff.
Got the B’s in the digital crap that doesn’t matter to
anyone.... (those guys are called bit freaks)
Got a C- in integral calculus.
*From:*Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:*Friday, June 12, 2020 8:42 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna
systems :-) D’s get degrees. I’m never going to use
this shit. Take the EIT / PE exam? Why the hell would
I ever work as a consulting engineer.
Of course my first job is a consulting engineer, and I
deal with microwaves and antenna systems every day.
Ah, to know then what I know now. Just don’t make me do
all this shit over again.
Mark
On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Makes you wonder if a wire and an alligator clip could
turn the aluminum box into an antenna.
Yeah, fields & waves was not my best course in
college. And I have a fear of heights. So of course
I end up running a WISP. But turning a Faraday cage
into an antenna is probably not my best idea.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*Mark
Radabaugh
*Sent:*Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
I like your solution actually. Should work out
well. Hardest part with trailers is getting through
the aluminum box. Putting AP’s close will help a lot.
Mark
On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping.
I'm proposing both a wireless and fiber solution.
I'm sure they'll pick WiFi because it'll be
cheaper, but I wanted to put all the cards on the
table.
As far as why I'm bothering to propose fiber:
1) If there's fiber to the power pedestal, and
each ped (or every other ped) has it's own little
router with it's own SSID and key, then there's a
security benefit vs having everybody in the park
be able to sniff traffic from each other's devices.
2) We could track any illegal/bad/weird activity
to a specific RV site (or at least to the
proximity of one).
3) The changing positions and occupancy of RV
sites won't affect anybody's WiFi because their
WiFi will be right next to them no matter what.
Neither will the growth of trees hurt them.
4) No capacity issue in the park (and the feed TO
the park can of course always be upgraded).
5) Infinitely upgrade-able.
6) We have all the equipment and personnel and we
want to use them. There's an indefinite amount of
work for them expanding and improving our own
network, but if they do it for the campground we
can bill them out.
-Adam
On 6/11/2020 5:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Why are you doing fiber?
We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is
required to stream over the Internet, no
satellite dishes are allowed.
It works absolutely fine and everything is
back hauled wirelessly to the sectors that
cover several RV campers.
On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam
Moffettmailto:dmmoffett@gmail.comwrote:
Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's
first choice, and that's part of why I'm
thinking WiFi from the pedestal. I just
thought it would be nice to have the
option to plug in a cable.
I did find a comms enclosure that bolts
onto the back side of the RV power
ped.http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/.
<http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/>
Waiting for them to send me more details,
but I think that might give me a place for
the ONT, and incidentally there appear to
be two keystone jacks in it. My two
reasons for suggesting this approach are
that each RV gets their own WiFi instead
of sharing it with everybody around them,
and if there was ever a law enforcement
issue we could track the usage to a
particular site rather than just
"somewhere in the park".
On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As an "RVer" I will say that we are
all set up for WiFi connections and
doing a hardwire would be something
that we _never_ plan for. Don't even
carry and ethernet cable...
On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett
wrote:
If you run fiber to RV sites, what
do you put in at the site?
I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi
enabled ONT in a box, on a post
next to their power and water
hookups. I'd want the campers to
be able to plug Ethernet in at the
box if they have the wherewithal
to do so. And if they don't then
they have their own private WiFi
right outside their RV.
....of course I could get little
Hoffman boxes and put this
together, but I'm betting someone
must have made a product for this
already.
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