Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna systems :-)   D’s get 
degrees.   I’m never going to use this shit.   Take the EIT / PE exam?   Why 
the hell would I ever work as a consulting engineer.

Of course my first job is a consulting engineer, and I deal with microwaves and 
antenna systems every day.

Ah, to know then what I know now.   Just don’t make me do all this shit over 
again.

Mark

> On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> Makes you wonder if a wire and an alligator clip could turn the aluminum box 
> into an antenna.
>  
> Yeah, fields & waves was not my best course in college.  And I have a fear of 
> heights.  So of course I end up running a WISP.  But turning a Faraday cage 
> into an antenna is probably not my best idea.
>  
>  
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com 
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>  
> I like your solution actually.   Should work out well.   Hardest part with 
> trailers is getting through the aluminum box.   Putting AP’s close will help 
> a lot.
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping.
>> I'm proposing both a wireless and fiber solution.  I'm sure they'll pick 
>> WiFi because it'll be cheaper, but I wanted to put all the cards on the 
>> table.
>> As far as why I'm bothering to propose fiber:
>> 1) If there's fiber to the power pedestal, and each ped (or every other ped) 
>> has it's own little router with it's own SSID and key, then there's a 
>> security benefit vs having everybody in the park be able to sniff traffic 
>> from each other's devices.
>> 2) We could track any illegal/bad/weird activity to a specific RV site (or 
>> at least to the proximity of one).
>> 3) The changing positions and occupancy of RV sites won't affect anybody's 
>> WiFi because their WiFi will be right next to them no matter what.  Neither 
>> will the growth of trees hurt them.
>> 4) No capacity issue in the park (and the feed TO the park can of course 
>> always be upgraded).
>> 5) Infinitely upgrade-able.
>> 6) We have all the equipment and personnel and we want to use them.  There's 
>> an indefinite amount of work for them expanding and improving our own 
>> network, but if they do it for the campground we can bill them out.
>> -Adam
>>  
>>  
>> On 6/11/2020 5:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> Why are you doing fiber?
>>>  
>>> We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over the 
>>> Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed.
>>>  
>>> It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to the 
>>> sectors that cover several RV campers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's part 
>>>> of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it would be 
>>>> nice to have the option to plug in a cable. 
>>>> I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV power 
>>>> ped. http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/. 
>>>>  <http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/>
>>>> Waiting for them to send me more details, but I think that might give me a 
>>>> place for the ONT, and incidentally there appear to be two keystone jacks 
>>>> in it.  My two reasons for suggesting this approach are that each RV gets 
>>>> their own WiFi instead of sharing it with everybody around them, and if 
>>>> there was ever a law enforcement issue we could track the usage to a 
>>>> particular site rather than just "somewhere in the park". 
>>>>  
>>>> On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>>> As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections and 
>>>>> doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for.   Don't 
>>>>> even carry and ethernet cable... 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post next 
>>>>>> to their power and water hookups.  I'd want the campers to be able to 
>>>>>> plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal to do so.  And 
>>>>>> if they don't then they have their own private WiFi right outside their 
>>>>>> RV. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ....of course I could get little Hoffman boxes and put this together, 
>>>>>> but I'm betting someone must have made a product for this already. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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