Those were the ONLY classes I cared about.  Got A’s in all things antenna and 
RF.
Got A’s in most of the linear stuff.  

Got the B’s in the digital crap that doesn’t matter to anyone....  (those guys 
are called bit freaks)
Got a C- in integral calculus.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and Antenna systems :-)   D’s get 
degrees.   I’m never going to use this shit.   Take the EIT / PE exam?   Why 
the hell would I ever work as a consulting engineer. 

Of course my first job is a consulting engineer, and I deal with microwaves and 
antenna systems every day.

Ah, to know then what I know now.   Just don’t make me do all this shit over 
again.

Mark



  On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  Makes you wonder if a wire and an alligator clip could turn the aluminum box 
into an antenna.
   
  Yeah, fields & waves was not my best course in college.  And I have a fear of 
heights.  So of course I end up running a WISP.  But turning a Faraday cage 
into an antenna is probably not my best idea.
   
   
  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
   
  I like your solution actually.   Should work out well.   Hardest part with 
trailers is getting through the aluminum box.   Putting AP’s close will help a 
lot.
   
  Mark



    On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
     
    Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping.
    I'm proposing both a wireless and fiber solution.  I'm sure they'll pick 
WiFi because it'll be cheaper, but I wanted to put all the cards on the table.
    As far as why I'm bothering to propose fiber:
    1) If there's fiber to the power pedestal, and each ped (or every other 
ped) has it's own little router with it's own SSID and key, then there's a 
security benefit vs having everybody in the park be able to sniff traffic from 
each other's devices.
    2) We could track any illegal/bad/weird activity to a specific RV site (or 
at least to the proximity of one).
    3) The changing positions and occupancy of RV sites won't affect anybody's 
WiFi because their WiFi will be right next to them no matter what.  Neither 
will the growth of trees hurt them.
    4) No capacity issue in the park (and the feed TO the park can of course 
always be upgraded).
    5) Infinitely upgrade-able.
    6) We have all the equipment and personnel and we want to use them.  
There's an indefinite amount of work for them expanding and improving our own 
network, but if they do it for the campground we can bill them out.
    -Adam
     
     
    On 6/11/2020 5:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
      Why are you doing fiber?
       
      We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over the 
Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed.
       
      It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to the 
sectors that cover several RV campers.



        On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com 
wrote:

         
        Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's 
part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it would be 
nice to have the option to plug in a cable. 
        I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV 
power ped. http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/. 

        Waiting for them to send me more details, but I think that might give 
me a place for the ONT, and incidentally there appear to be two keystone jacks 
in it.  My two reasons for suggesting this approach are that each RV gets their 
own WiFi instead of sharing it with everybody around them, and if there was 
ever a law enforcement issue we could track the usage to a particular site 
rather than just "somewhere in the park". 
         
        On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
          As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections 
and doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for.   Don't even 
carry and ethernet cable... 

          On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: 


            If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site? 

            I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post 
next to their power and water hookups.  I'd want the campers to be able to plug 
Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal to do so.  And if they 
don't then they have their own private WiFi right outside their RV. 

            ....of course I could get little Hoffman boxes and put this 
together, but I'm betting someone must have made a product for this already. 




           
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