But the skeptic might argue that the fact that you knew someone with a
tattoo on his arm actually proves that it didn’t happen since
OBVIOUSLY he wasn’t killed…… It just proves that they put people in
prison camps and/or tattooed them.
This topic definitely has the potential for an early Lent…..
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 12:34 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
I was not alive during the Holocaust, nor have I ever been to Germany.
So I only know what I have experienced.
But the overwhelming quantity of media on the subject seems to
indicate something happened....
Oh, and the fact I actually knew someone with a tattoo on their arm...
yeah, there’s that...
*From:*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Friday, June 12, 2020 11:21 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
If you mean because of the Internet then I agree with that. I asked
an astronomy question on Quora and an actual astronomer answered it.
That kind of direct access to information and expertise is amazing.
On the other hand, since anyone can put anything out there a lot of
fringe people are finding and supporting each other.
Holocaust deniers sure, but also every other brand of idiocy like
homeopathy, magic rocks, antivax, neonazi's, etc.
On 6/12/2020 1:15 PM, Robert wrote:
I worked on the Stanford campus in the 70's.. saw and talked to
Shockley on a semi-daily basis. Had no idea of the idiocy that he
supported. Just seemed like a very aloof guy but liked to
chat... Yeah we are in an age where these people are getting to
say what they used to have to hide...
On 6/12/20 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Professors are a mixed lot. I took a course from this guy,
who apparently is still teaching although he would be well
into his 80’s now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Butz
I had no idea at the time he was a Holocaust denier. I’ve
never understood those people – my dad was in the Army in WWII
and participated in liberating some concentration camps. I
mean, it’s a freakin’ fact, how can you deny facts. Anyway,
my recollection of Professor Butz was I had a friend who kept
writing the name as “Prof. Butts” on his assignments and
tests. We kept telling him it was spelled Butz but he thought
we were joking. Brings new meaning to the expression “butt of
a joke”.
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 10:54 AM
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Were you in the same class as I was? We had the same
professor, I think.. Drove me off the deep end... Specially
when he blocked the equations with his body as he erased!!
But we had this one other assoc-prof.. Name of Jim Clark..
He was wild, specially when he went into game theory and
betting systems.. Yep that Clark. Worked for him 20 years
later...
On 6/12/20 8:44 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Oh man. I was doing great in calculus until we got to
differential equations. I blame the professor. Harry
Blackman. What a terrible professor! He lectured with his
back to the class and wrote on the blackboard; chalk in
his outstretched right hand, and eraser in his
outstretched left hand. He would write equations as he
droned, and erased the information in the space between
his hands. What a horrible experience that was!
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 6/12/2020 8:22 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
See, I only cared about the digital stuff. Though
power, motors, etc. were pretty cool as well. Grades
were good in those classes.
Senior project the advisor dinged me for building a
system for a plant out of a microcontroller instead of
using a PLC like he suggested. But I want to do
Microcontrollers. Yep, first job was building
industrial control systems with PLC’s. I’m guessing
I was a completely cocky bastard as a 21 year old.
Perhaps someday I’ll grow out of that. Or not.
Heh, calculus. My last all night study session
managed to turn a perfectly good B+ in differential
equations into a D. Walked in to that exam and drew
a complete blank. Should have just slept, probably
would have aced it.
Mark
On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Those were the ONLY classes I cared about. Got
A’s in all things antenna and RF.
Got A’s in most of the linear stuff.
Got the B’s in the digital crap that doesn’t
matter to anyone.... (those guys are called bit
freaks)
Got a C- in integral calculus.
*From:*Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:*Friday, June 12, 2020 8:42 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
Hey, I was proud of that D in Microwave and
Antenna systems :-) D’s get degrees. I’m never
going to use this shit. Take the EIT / PE
exam? Why the hell would I ever work as a
consulting engineer.
Of course my first job is a consulting engineer,
and I deal with microwaves and antenna systems
every day.
Ah, to know then what I know now. Just don’t
make me do all this shit over again.
Mark
On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Makes you wonder if a wire and an alligator
clip could turn the aluminum box into an antenna.
Yeah, fields & waves was not my best course in
college. And I have a fear of heights. So of
course I end up running a WISP. But turning a
Faraday cage into an antenna is probably not
my best idea.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf
Of*Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:*Friday, June 12, 2020 9:07 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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I like your solution actually. Should work
out well. Hardest part with trailers is
getting through the aluminum box. Putting
AP’s close will help a lot.
Mark
On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow this thread blew up while I was sleeping.
I'm proposing both a wireless and fiber
solution. I'm sure they'll pick WiFi
because it'll be cheaper, but I wanted to
put all the cards on the table.
As far as why I'm bothering to propose fiber:
1) If there's fiber to the power pedestal,
and each ped (or every other ped) has it's
own little router with it's own SSID and
key, then there's a security benefit vs
having everybody in the park be able to
sniff traffic from each other's devices.
2) We could track any illegal/bad/weird
activity to a specific RV site (or at
least to the proximity of one).
3) The changing positions and occupancy of
RV sites won't affect anybody's WiFi
because their WiFi will be right next to
them no matter what. Neither will the
growth of trees hurt them.
4) No capacity issue in the park (and the
feed TO the park can of course always be
upgraded).
5) Infinitely upgrade-able.
6) We have all the equipment and personnel
and we want to use them. There's an
indefinite amount of work for them
expanding and improving our own network,
but if they do it for the campground we
can bill them out.
-Adam
On 6/11/2020 5:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Why are you doing fiber?
We have a 300 unit RV park where
everyone is required to stream over
the Internet, no satellite dishes are
allowed.
It works absolutely fine and
everything is back hauled wirelessly
to the sectors that cover several RV
campers.
On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam
Moffettmailto:dmmoffett@gmail.comwrote:
Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be
everyone's first choice, and
that's part of why I'm thinking
WiFi from the pedestal. I just
thought it would be nice to have
the option to plug in a cable.
I did find a comms enclosure that
bolts onto the back side of the RV
power
ped.http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/.
<http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/>
Waiting for them to send me more
details, but I think that might
give me a place for the ONT, and
incidentally there appear to be
two keystone jacks in it. My two
reasons for suggesting this
approach are that each RV gets
their own WiFi instead of sharing
it with everybody around them, and
if there was ever a law
enforcement issue we could track
the usage to a particular site
rather than just "somewhere in the
park".
On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert
Andrews wrote:
As an "RVer" I will say that
we are all set up for WiFi
connections and doing a
hardwire would be something
that we _never_ plan for.
Don't even carry and ethernet
cable...
On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam
Moffett wrote:
If you run fiber to RV
sites, what do you put in
at the site?
I'm imagining I'd end with
a WiFi enabled ONT in a
box, on a post next to
their power and water
hookups. I'd want the
campers to be able to plug
Ethernet in at the box if
they have the wherewithal
to do so. And if they
don't then they have their
own private WiFi right
outside their RV.
....of course I could get
little Hoffman boxes and
put this together, but I'm
betting someone must have
made a product for this
already.
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